Frank
Thank you for joining us.
This is episode 40 of Amateur 3D Podcast, a podcast by amateur printers, for amateur printers, where we share our thoughts and experience.
Our panelists this week are me, Franklin Christensen, and my friends, Andy Cottam and Chris Weber.
And Kevin just, Kevin just, you know, needed a week off, I guess, he didn’t actually tell us to.
Andy
Too busy.
Frank
Oh, busy.
Busy, Kevin.
Chris
He told us last week.
Yeah.
Frank
Oh, shows how well I pay attention too.
Andy
He’s off having a great time.
Frank
Well, good for him.
Andy
We should be jealous.
Chris
I am.
Frank
Um, we kind of discussed before we got into the podcast, we kind of wanted to try a little more improvised episode.
So the topic we were going to avoid this episode was splicing, but we’re not going to hold to that this episode and we’re just going to see how it goes and maybe episode 41 will be different.
And it is episode 40 right now.
Not 39.
My script is wrong.
Andy
No problem.
Chris
E-gets Bbrain.
What are you even slicing now?
Frank
Yeah.
Andy
I love that.
Frank
So Chris, or, or should we call you, uh, Pinky, Pinky, what did you work on this week?
Chris
Gee golly.
Um, I, uh, I didn’t print anything this week.
Actually, I was disassembling my pool table to put new felt on it.
Andy
Blasphemy.
Chris
Yeah.
Frank
I’m not far behind him, we’ll get there though.
Chris
You haven’t tried to shoot pool on my pool table ever, Andy, so it’s, it’s, it’s pretty bad.
Andy
You live in the Rocky Mountains.
It’s, uh, it’s pretty good practice to simulate, you know, hiking through the, the hills while you play pool.
Frank
Uh, it was more like playing on particle board without felt.
Andy
Oh really?
Well, it’ll be nice.
Frank
Is that fair, Chris?
Chris
Yeah.
It was pretty, it had quite a few tears and it was just falling apart.
But I mean, this table has got to be from the sixties and…
Frank
It kind of has that aesthetic, huh?
Chris
Yeah.
And so, you know, the, the, um, as I was turning it apart, I could, you could tell that it had never been disassembled and cleaned or anything at all.
So it’s just old felt old.
I mean, it’s like, I’m surprised that it’s, it’s even still there and it hasn’t just kind of disintegrated.
Andy
Yeah.
Well, I mean, it’ll be, it’ll look nice when you’re finally done with it and who knows, if there’s any components that need to be reprinted and rebuilt.
You definitely have that as an option too.
So…
Frank
yeah.
Chris
Yeah.
Frank
I don’t know if you thought about, uh, printing new corners and all of that, or are they in good shape?
You’re going to keep them.
Chris
The ones I’ve got are in pretty good shape, but, you know, if I want to change the color, you know, yeah, maybe I can get some colored TPU or something to print some new ones out of.
That’s a, that’s a good thought.
Um…
Frank
I have those occasionally.
Andy
Seeing that you’ve spent this much money on the new felt top and stuff like that.
I think this is one of those situations where maybe 3d printing your way out of that situation is probably not the best way to go when it comes to the cups, but little or things like that.
Let’s see.
Your table is not an auto, uh, where it pulls all the, the, the balls into one spot kind of table, right?
It’s just a traditional, has the traditional cups.
Chris
Oh, no, no, no.
It’s got the, uh, uh, it’s got the gravity roll where all of them end up at the other end of the table when you’re, when they go in the pocket.
So, um, you know, so that part of it, all of those, all of that needs to be cleaned up and washed and stuff, but, um, as far as printing stuff goes for this, if, if I need any parts, it might be if something on the counters break, got these little counters where you push in the dial a little bit and you can rotate it to change the numbers.
Yeah.
Frank
When you’re playing nine ball or something like that, right?
Chris
Yeah.
So there’s, there’s, there’s, um, two of them and each has a dial for two numbers.
So there’s four dials all together so you can keep track of a double digit number.
Andy
Okay.
That’s cool.
Chris
For each person.
Frank
You could reprint new dials so that you could have four people keeping score instead of only two.
Chris
True.
Yeah.
Frank
Instead of having to have teams whenever you do a game that requires a score.
If it happens often enough, sometimes it’s a good idea and sometimes it’s not.
Andy
That still will be really nice once you get the new felt and stuff on that.
Oh yeah.
Yeah.
The kid is excited to play with me on the new, on the new pool table, you know, that’s good.
But my next project is going to be building the, so that this is going to be in the next couple of weeks.
I’m going to be building a, an enclosure for the, for my printer so I can try to start printing ABS and nylon and stuff like that.
Andy
That’ll be good.
Chris
But, um, the follow, the following project is going to be printing up a, a, a ball polisher.
So I’ve got kind of an idea of what I want.
I’ve got a couple of different motors that I can, I can hook up and get a gear to and so.
I wanted to use ABS or nylon to do that with possibly, possibly P P T G, but I was, I was thinking, I’ve got some ABS already kicking around.
Thank you, Andy.
Frank
Did you end up picking up the rest of it from Andy or is he still storing that for you?
Chris
No, I’ve got them.
Andy
Yeah.
You ground up getting them.
Now that space is where I keep all my empty spools because I can’t seem to bring myself to throw them away.
Chris
You know what, I think maybe we should get together and work on a plastic recycler.
Andy
That would be fun to do.
I know there’s a lot of things that people have, have done to build those.
I like the ones that, where they use bottles and are putting together a PET or a PET recycling from like two liter bottles and things like that.
That looks interesting to me.
Chris
Yeah.
Well, I, what, what, what I want to do is take, have you, have you seen videos of those chompers that basically kind of grind stuff up?
Andy
Yeah.
Chris
You know, I want to get together something like that with a couple of motors where it’ll chunk up the plastic into, into little bits where you can reheat it through a pressurized little deal and get, actually get filament out of the other end.
Andy
Yeah.
Chris
You know, I, that’s my idea for the recycler and, you know, make it easy enough that it’s not too difficult for just about any Joe to make.
Frank
I have seen where there are some companies that will sell commercial level recycling processes to hobby 3D printers and it looks kind of neat.
I’m not certain that it’s really a ton better than most of your, you know, the ones that you see online where someone just rigged something up and it works.
Andy
Yeah.
Frank
Um, one of the more interesting things is there, um, a lot of recyclers now have started using, uh, it’s like a laser meter that reads how, uh, keeps your plastic intolerance and controls the spool that pulls the, uh, the filament off of the new hot end at that, um, at that point.
So when it pulls harder, obviously it gets thinner and then when it doesn’t pull as hard, it gets a little wider.
So it keeps your filament in spec for as much of the spool as possible.
Chris
That’s nice.
Frank
And I imagine that’s a little bit harder to achieve without, you know, then, then, then you’re limited to the size of the, uh, the nozzle that you make.
Chris
So.
Right.
But I was thinking that it wouldn’t be too difficult to, you know, get a bunch of stuff together and make some that would probably not cause your printer too much issues as long as, you know, you each batch that you did was all the same kind of plastic, you know, like, yeah, like you do just bottles for one or you’ve got an old, uh, a bunch of old electronics cases, you know, they’re, they’re all going to be the same kind of plastic.
Frank
That is another thing about the recycling is you want to be very careful not to mix your plastic types.
Chris
Yep.
Frank
Um, some of them just don’t work well together.
Um, but yeah.
So I guess pre-sorting would be more valuable than going through the bucket that you’ve already got.
But you got to be, you got to be very disciplined about where you throw your plastic at that point.
Chris
Yep.
You know, sort it out into one of the 30, 32 bins like the Japanese do, you know?
Andy
Yeah, really?
Chris
But I mean, if it doesn’t seem like it’d be that hard because like we only have like five different types of major plastics that we use on an everyday basis and the amount of plastic you go through in a, in a, in just a week, I mean, looking at it, I, we used to be able to recycle plastic here in the, in the terrace and we, we haven’t been since um, that’s, yeah, since China and India won’t take plastic anymore.
Frank
Um, they won’t let us ship it out though.
Let, let, let’s be honest though, that wasn’t really them recycling it either.
It was them importing it from us and then landfilling it.
So them not taking it anymore or at the very least there being government that keeps us from shipping it over there, um, is actually better for the environment in a lot of ways because
Chris
it’s better for their own individual respective countries anyway, you know?
Frank
Us being mindful or experts.
Chris
They’re, we’re literally like, here, we’ll give you some money if you take our garbage and they’re like, this isn’t really worth it.
Frank
Right.
Chris
And they’re not wrong.
Frank
Whatever the motivation was, it was, it was a bum deal.
Chris
But anyway, yeah, what I was getting at is that, you know, you don’t really realize the amount of plastic you, you go through in a week, in a typical week.
I mean, I, I have a family of three and there’s always one or two milk jugs and there’s soda bottles and there’s, you know, wow, I’m just trying to go through and…
Andy
I completely agree.
It gets ridiculous at some of the things that you buy when you, ah, there was something that I bought that really bothered me, something refrigerated where it was in this big plastic container and it had a lot more plastic and stuff on it.
And it was, I got one up there now that’s got kiwis in it.
It’s just this big plastic bin full of kiwis and it’s like, oh, the kiwis are completely fine by just by themselves, you know, you don’t need to put it in a big plastic bag or plastic box.
Chris
I wanted to buy an individual kiwi and they don’t sell them like that at my grocery store anymore.
Like buy five or six in the big plastic bin.
Exactly.
Andy
Yeah.
Chris
And, um, yeah, that’s exactly what I was thinking.
It’s those bins and the things and the, the cake bins and the croissant, you know, that’s just those, those plastic.
Andy
I remember what it was.
I was at work.
This was, I was at a local soup house place that does soups mostly and the role that they gave you just little, what do you call it, a baguette or something, you know, it’s just a little like French, you know…
Frank
No. The baguettes are the long thin ones.
Andy
Oh, okay.
It’s a roll.
It’s, it’s kind of like a French, like…
Frank
just a little soup roll bread roll.
Andy
Yeah, exactly.
Chris
A mini sub roll.
Yeah.
Andy
And they put it in one of those darn plastic containers and it just…
Frank
like a clamshell.
Chris
Yeah.
Andy
Yeah.
A full blown clamshell.
And it was like a nice, good quality clamshell too.
Not even like one of the ones that you’d find that, you know, you’d keep stuff in the freezer or something with it’s like a thinner, cheaper plastic.
Now this was some thicker gauge, you know, high mil kind of stuff.
And it just blew my mind like it was in a paper bag inside of this plastic thing.
And the whole thing they put inside of the whole plastic container was also inside of a larger cardboard box, kind of similar to the ones that KFC gives that holds the rest of the food.
So you opened the big KFC cardboard box, you got the soups and stuff in there and then you got this big plastic container.
And on the inside of that plastic container, you have a paper bag that is holding a roll.
Frank
So two things come to mind.
I think I know what soup place you’re talking about and I do like their soup.
The second thing is, let’s be clear, you’re not talking about KFC.
Andy
No.
Frank
In fact, KFC is actually wasting less because for the same amount of money, you get less food.
And the containers.
Andy
What do they use, I think, are biodegradable because I don’t think they’re even plasticized on the outside.
Frank
I think that most of what they use is paper.
Like it’s sealed paper, so there’s probably some kind of plastic seal on it.
But it’s not, it’s much more biodegradable than just your average plastic.
But because you get less for your money, they’re literally making less things that create waste, less volume of waste for the same price.
Andy
Yeah.
Especially when just a little, what is it, the wax paper bag that holds it would have been plenty for the whole thing.
Frank
Well, Andy, have you worked on anything this week?
Andy
Yeah, I’ve worked on a couple of things.
I’ve been working hard.
Frank
So it’s not hardly working?
Andy
Yeah.
I mentioned last week that my printer’s X carriage homing switch, what would you call that?
Limit switch had gone out.
And in the meantime, I had jumped into the G code from my machine and turned off the homing position to home all and then just hold it to home just Y, just Z.
And then to reset the X coordinates to the negative 15 or 17 or whatever it was that my printer usually homes at.
And then that way, before I would ever start it, I’d have to make sure the X carriage was in its home position before starting the printer and it would still print fine.
And I did this while I was waiting for parts because the limit switches, the micro switches I do have are different size.
And the ones I do have of the correct size are not lever switches.
They don’t have the little metal lever on them.
So I had to buy some new ones.
But in the meantime, that was working out pretty good.
It allowed me to still use the printer, even though I couldn’t home X properly.
By the way, Marlin sits there panicking the entire print, saying that it couldn’t home X and there’s something wrong, which is kind of silly to watch it, but it’s still printed fine without any problems.
It just sat there blinking question marks on the X location every single time through the entire print.
Chris
Problem.
Andy
But yeah, I don’t know if this is right.
It’s somewhere I don’t know where X actually is.
Frank
I can’t do that, Andy.
Andy
Yeah, no kidding.
But I got them like I think it was like Tuesday or Wednesday this last week.
And so I went in and I put the new switches in and fixed the G code, the start G code back to where it was and everything’s back to working fine, which is really good.
So I’ve been doing that.
I’ve been working on some printing some model rockets with the kids and we designed a model rocket.
There’s been a lot going into that.
We’re using Estes engines in a model rocket and we’re doing this in place because coming up on the 4th of July and last year we were so disappointed in the fireworks and stuff.
We decided, you know what, let’s do model rockets next year.
That’s something that we can design and print together with the son and then everybody in the family can sit and paint one and then for the 4th of July we can go shoot them off and spend way less than we would on fireworks and still have that same kind of, you know, event that’s kind of similar to fireworks.
And so I’ve been working on that.
We decided to start really simple.
We found an Estes rocket that was a very basic rocket that we could kind of model off from so we can start simple before we start getting crazy with it.
The plastic, the 3D plastic is always going to be heavier than the rockets themselves than the ones Estes comes up with, which is to be expected, but you look at a lot of YouTube videos out there and a lot of people have quite a bit of success.
There is always the problem of the rocket melting the plastics down.
So one of the things that we did do differently is the engine mount section of the rocket we made on ours screw into the bottom of the rocket instead of the engine going into the rocket itself, the entire mount screws on to the rocket.
And that way, you know, once it goes off, because the first firing of the rocket, there’s not enough heat transfer there to affect anything.
It’s that floating down and sitting on the ground when things really get melty.
And I don’t think there’s really a whole lot of way around that.
So instead, we made it so the engine mounts are one time use mounts for the most part.
I mean, if you get one that lives through it, then great, you could reuse it.
But generally speaking, if it melts, it’s fine.
It’s not part of the rocket.
And then the fins start, you know, above the engine mount and come down over the engine mount so that the fins are still in the same place.
But we started doing all that and things were working out pretty good.
The initial designs were almost three times as heavy as the Estes rocket, which we knew it would be heavy and that’s understandable.
The Estes rocket we’re designing it off of is a pretty light one to start with.
And with even an A engine inside of that particular rocket, it goes up way higher than what we need.
So running three times as heavy, we’re hoping that a larger engine will compensate.
That’s part of the plan is once we get one that passes the Sling test and things like that, we’re going to go and take it out and try launching it with an A, see how high it goes, or if it leaves the pad at all, and then move up to a B and then up to a C and figure out what one would work best for us to do for the whole family.
And then I’ll re-print.
Chris
Completely destroy the launch pad.
Andy
Yeah, really.
And then we’ll print up enough for each one of the family and that we can paint them.
And that would be the kind of the fun part that everybody gets to do is they get to paint their rocket.
And so kind of in the middle of that, it did occur to me when I went to go print the rocket that there’s a lot of things I could do in the slicer to actually make it quite a bit lighter.
I mean, most of my prints are printed with two shells at 20% infill.
That’s kind of my default for all my prints, unless I’m working outside of that for some reason, if I need it, you know, 100% or even less or whatnot.
But this time I figured, let me try to print it with just one shell, which is something I really don’t do.
And on top of it, I wanted to print all the rocket pieces at once.
This rocket we’ve designed breaks down into four separate pieces.
An upper, a lower, a engine mount, and a nose cone.
And so I put all four on the bed.
And typically my parts are small enough that I can print, I can have multiple things on the bed and print one at a time without it interfering with the carriage.
But these rocket pieces are going to be too tall.
I have to print them as if it’s one solid model.
I didn’t think it was that big of a deal, but this is something I usually don’t do.
Turns out I have a ridiculous amount of stringing happening within my printer.
Chris
Oh yeah, you showed that.
Andy
And I’ve been fighting that.
And stringing is not something I’ve ever really had too much of a problem with.
But I think just the normal way I print, I don’t put myself in a position where stringing would be noticeable.
It’s like I always print with two shells most of the time.
And I print my inner shell first.
So when it prints the inner shell, that’s where the damage is taking place from the stringing.
You get the initial under extrusion from the stringing.
And then it moves to the outer shell where it’s working fine with no retractions.
And then it moves up and starts printing the inner again or after the infill, the inner again.
And that’s where the problem is.
And so it’s all hidden.
You never notice it.
But trying to print just one shell around the rocket, it became kind of obvious that this isn’t working right.
So the last part of today, I’ve been fighting my printer trying to tune it to get rid of the stringing.
And right before the podcast started here, I printed a bunch of towers testing different things.
I’ve gone through retraction speeds and went from ridiculously low to ridiculously high retraction speeds and still have a lot of stringing that didn’t seem to really change a whole lot along the entire print.
I’ve tried retraction differences looking for any kind of changes and no real changes up on there.
Chris
No Lovecraftian horrors.
Andy
Yes, yes.
No kidding.
So temperature.
I’ve always printed PLA at 205.
I’ve never differed from that.
But you print PLA too hot, you can use really, really super easy.
So okay, let’s do a temperature tower.
So my first temperature tower went from 210 down to 185.
Still using the entire way with no reduction.
So okay, let’s get stupid then.
From 185 down to 160 something.
And it stopped printing.
It didn’t completely print this tower.
It stopped at about 170 degrees, which makes sense.
But all the way up to 170 before it stopped, it’s still losing like crazy.
So I don’t know what to do yet.
Looking online, this isn’t a problem I fought before.
I’ve only been fighting this problem for the last couple of hours.
And looking online, those three things are really the only thing that contributes to a lot of stringing and oozing as well as the printer filaments.
So I might try a few more things after the podcast here, but I might be stuck with this being this way.
And so I might go back up to printing two shells with this rocket, because two shells prints beautiful every single time, just like everything else I’ve ever done.
Two shells seems to work.
So that’s been my event.
I’ve got a lot of these little towers, these stringing towers all over with terrible examples of stringing.
Chris
Well, let’s just bite the bullet here and move on to three shells.
Frank
Three seashells?
Chris, this is supposed to be a PG-13.
Andy
Oh, dear.
But that’s been my adventure these last few hours is dealing with that.
Yeah.
So I’m just going to keep on fighting that battle this next upcoming week.
Or maybe not.
We’ll see.
If I can find anything else to try and make a tower of to adjust settings or whatnot, I’ll give it a shot.
I did check my temperature to make sure that it was correct with an IR camera.
So my IR camera with the printer balanced and solid at 205, my IR camera, was saying 204.75.
So it does 0.25 increments.
So it seems to be accurate with the temperature listed, because I did just barely change my thermostat out.
And so I checked it already when I put the new thermostat in and put the correct offsets and stuff.
But I went and double checked it just now and that seems to be correct too.
So I don’t know what to do about this problem.
I haven’t really had it before, but since it kind of completely goes away with two shells, I might wind up just kind of ignoring it and moving on if I can’t get it fixed.
Frank
So the question becomes, at what point is it worth the time you would put into it to figure it out, right?
Andy
Exactly.
Printing the difference between one shell and two shell, if I print one shell, my rocket’s only twice as heavy as the Estus model.
And two shells, it’s only a little bit more than three times as heavy.
So it is quite a reduction, but when you’re talking about being heavy, it’s not that big of a reduction.
If I can get these rockets to fly a good 400, 500 feet in the air, that’s perfect.
And when this Estus rocket is both, the Estus rocket is supposed to do a little bit more than a thousand with an A engine, then I should be able to accomplish 400 with a C.
So let’s see how that goes.
Frank
And let’s be honest too, not to encourage you to set your expectations too low, but as long as it leaves the ground and the kids are having fun, does it matter?
Andy
Yeah, that’s true.
I mean, it’s the perfectionist here.
Frank
And I hear you, I do.
And it’s always fun to figure that out.
But even if it goes up 20 feet and everybody’s happy, then everybody’s happy, and you can play with it later.
Andy
That’s true.
That’s true.
But see, after one wall, I could have gone and printed in vase mode, and might have even been able to get close to the actual Estus rocket weight with vase mode.
So.
Frank
I printed in vase mode.
Oh, you mean the one that they vase?
vase.
That kind of vase.
I thought you were pronounciating with a B.
Chris
Okay.
Yeah, I’ve done that.
Andy
I could go down to just one layer, period.
Yeah.
It could even reduce it even further by screwing on an old .4 nozzle instead of the .6 as I’ve moved up to as well here.
Chris
Okay.
Yeah.
Because I did use vase mode myself printed.
I didn’t even realize I actually printed a vase for my mother-in-law last fall for to put some fake flowers in and things.
Andy
Nice.
Chris
Yeah.
I forgot about that.
It was really cool because it printed this.
It was completely hollow, and it printed a film across the top of the vase, the vase.
And so as soon as it was done printing, have you guys ever, you know those seals that they have on like yoplait yogurt, some things, right?
Yeah.
It was kind of like that.
You just kind of peeled it off and there was your vase.
It was interesting.
Andy
That is cool.
Chris
Like my printer probably didn’t need to print that, but it was part of the file.
Andy
Yeah, that is neat.
Frank
That is odd.
Andy
Well, what about you, Frank?
What have you been working on this past week?
Frank
The only thing that I have printed was after we recorded last week, I printed off a different grip for the Joy-Cons.
My nephew was using some of the grips that I had before, and it was too big for his hands.
So I had to go in and find one that was not too big for a 10-year-old and not still too small for an adult to use just the Joy-Con.
So I found one that worked out real well.
I think it’ll work well for him.
And the rest of the week, I have had oddly other stuff on my mind.
So… didn’t get very far.
Andy
I still think it’s wrong that you’re putting anything above 3D printing.
Frank
Yeah, this was your idea in the first place.
Andy
You’re going to sit here and tell me family is more important than running your printer.
You’re in the wrong podcast, sir.
Frank
Well, okay.
So…
Chris
I work for my machine.
It’s totally fine.
You can’t always be printing, but…
Frank
I’m not feeling so quick on my feeding right now.
Oh, that’s okay.
Gosh, last week, I think everybody was falling asleep right at the very end there.
So it got to…
Chris
Yeah, that was weird.
Yeah, we all got stupid at the same moment.
Frank
Something in the air.
I still think it was something in the air.
Andy
Yeah, that makes a lot of sense, especially when you consider that we all live in completely different houses when doing this podcast, so are in completely different locations.
Well, must have been an electronic virus.
You know how those can get infected.
Frank
We all got our COVID vaccine, right?
Andy
There’s something on the Internet, something about this podcast that’s infecting my Bill Gates chip that I got from the COVID vaccine.
Frank
Oh, he feels competition with his book.
He doesn’t want to have us compete with his book.
That’s the only thing that makes any sense.
I mean, we’ve got a whole… we actually got one more.
We’ve got 27 subscribers right now, and apparently competing with Bill Gates is the biggest problem he’s got.
Andy
Maybe he’s just jealous that he wasn’t invited to do a cage match with Zuckerberg and Musk this last week.
Frank
I don’t know.
I think he could take them both.
I think Zuckerberg looks a little squirrely, but Musk would definitely go down quick.
Yeah, I think Musk is the beefier guy, but Zuckerberg actually practices a lot of martial arts and stuff like that.
He’s really into it on his own personal time.
I think…
Frank
He doesn’t have personal time.
What are you talking about?
Andy
I don’t know.
I wish it would be neat to sit down and just hang out with the guy for a day to see.
I mean, everywhere you hear about him, everybody puts this…
What’s a good way to describe this?
Like he’s a freaking computer.
They always make fun of yellowing his skin and making him look like Data from Star Trek all the time.
I totally get it because he fits that.
All the audio I’ve ever really heard of the guy, he’s been either doing something for Facebook in general or whatever he calls it now.
It’s where he’s been doing a public address with somebody, or he’s been in court.
And so that’s the only time I’ve ever really got to see him.
I mean, you see Musk out there all the time, and you’re getting that guy.
Even if he is right in court, you’re getting that guy.
Well, and Zuckerberg, I think, is holding back.
Frank
I do feel like Musk has got enough free time to accidentally buy Twitter and then spend the whole time trolling himself.
Andy
No kidding, right?
Frank
I don’t think that he puts his free time into anything valuable, I gotta say.
Andy
Seeing the personality of the guy, I would like to see Zuckerberg stub his toe.
And just see how he reacts.
You know, how human is he?
How much can you actually relate to him?
Frank
I would believe that he could stub his toe and not notice.
Andy
That’s the opinion I get too.
Chris
Yeah, well, he’s just one of those neurodivergent weirdos, kind of like, you know, we were in high school and stuff, but you know.
Andy
Yeah, I just, you just don’t really see it in any of the videos and anything I’ve ever seen of him.
You know, he’s always put together and the person he’s putting forward is intentional, where Musk.
Frank
Maybe a little confused by the judge’s questions, like.
Andy
I love those moments.
Frank
Can you please repeat the question?
Andy
You could just see it in here, man.
And it’s just like, really?
This, this is the question.
Oh, man.
Chris
I got pulled into the circus.
It’s not my fault.
Andy
No kidding.
No kidding.
I just, I would like to see how human he really is.
But because I bet he’s, I would like to think that just like any other person, he’s just a normal human being in person, you know, but I just little socially awkward probably.
I mean, yeah, I just, yeah, I haven’t really gotten opportunity to see any of that.
Like he’s very calculated whenever he’s on a video of any kind, you know, he’s very intentional on his actions where you get people like Musk and even Gates is like that way too, where that’s they’re just being themselves for the most part, even if there’s a camera on them.
When Zuckerberg’s like acting a particular way when he’s got a camera on it.
Chris
Yeah.
I mean, Gates is very, very much emotionally, emotionally displayable.
Andy
Yeah.
Chris
You see him dancing on stage and, you know, doing stuff that you’d be doing when you’re excited.
Andy
Yeah.
You can see an honest smile from him on camera and same with Musk, but on Zuckerberg.
I don’t, I don’t know if his face can even make that shape.
Haven’t seen proof of it yet anyway.
Frank
Maybe not without it being very much like data after the actor got into playing the role where is he smiling because he thinks that it’s amusing or is he smiling because he thinks that we think it should be amusing.
Andy
Yeah.
And what do you do if his laugh is similar to that of like Data’s brother or something, you know, when he’s always snickering or something that would lead into the whole conspiracy thing really hard and in a bad direction too.
Frank
If anything, he’s… If anything, he’s more Data’s evil twin than Data anyhow.
So.
Chris
Well, if you follow all the new star, all the new star trek, they all got integrated together into one.
Frank
Spoilers, you need to, you need to precursor that stuff with spoilers because, you know, we’re still within two months after the series aired that episode.
Andy
I’m not even watching that.
Yeah, I gotta I gotta wait for it to finish.
And I’ve seen little bits of pieces of that.
I never attributed that to be part of the show.
Frank
With you, it doesn’t even really matter though.
You can’t remember what you watched yesterday.
So true.
We’re talking about normal viewers who retain TV shows that they’ve watched.
Andy
You’re just jealous.
I get to watch the classics over and over and enjoy them again and again as if it was the first time.
Frank
You say that like I watched TV anymore.
I really don’t.
I’ve been reading more books for the last year.
I think I’ve read more books than my time has been spent reading books a hell of a lot more than it’s been watching TV.
So…
Andy
that’s good.
I got I get TV time when I do the dishes, I can watch TV.
And so this last week, trying to make that little bit of TV time, I do get a little bit more enjoyable.
I wound to get in a tablet that no one uses in the household and putting it up there.
You know, in front of the sink and stuff.
And I could…
Frank
mount it using a 3D printed brackets.
Andy
No, but that is the plan.
I just want to make sure it’s something I wanted to actually keep there for a little while before making that kind of move.
Frank
You’ve still got the window right by the sink, right?
Just put it on suction cups so you can take it off without ruining the wall.
Andy
Oh, that’s a really good idea.
Just make a little dock there for it.
Frank
Yeah, I’m back, baby.
Chris
I’m still a little confused that you don’t have your own tablet, Andy.
Andy
Oh, yeah, I just don’t use it.
I use my phone for everything and I got my laptop for everything else.
And the server downstairs does all the traditional stuff that I need to leave on at home or you know, maintenance wise.
And so it does all that.
That’s all I really need.
Don’t really have a tablet.
Frank
I don’t need 100 devices myself.
I understand completely.
Andy
Especially when my phone does everything for me.
If I like if I need a big screen, I just turn on DEX on my phone and my laptop and just throw it on my laptop and then I’ve got full blown Android on the laptop and that’s my tablet.
Chris
So you don’t you don’t have your tiny screen and your medium screen and your slightly larger screen and then the big screen all in front of you for your entertainment at the same time?
Andy
No, but I do have a program on my phone to mirror the laptop and make it an additional screen.
It’s got a refresh rate of like 20 frames per second.
So I can’t really use it for a whole lot.
But that does give me a little bit of an extra screen.
Chris
Yeah, I do like DEX mode though.
It’s great because I actually that’s what I use my tablet for around the house.
Is like, I’ll use my tablet in DEX mode for, you know, popping, popping something on the TV or, you know, vice versa.
Yeah, it’s really great.
Andy
Yeah, I got a Chromecast on the TV so I can cast stuff to it.
But honestly, it’s been a little while since I’ve used that.
I’ve also got Plex on the TV upstairs and Plex everywhere in our household.
And so we just use that for most of the media sharing.
Chris
Yeah.
And I use VLC for a lot of the media sharing too, except VLC doesn’t work on Roku.
I have a Roku TV.
Andy
Yeah.
Chris
So but Roku’s got its own media player that can access any shared media player stuff.
Oh, that’s nice.
Well, so yeah, you can just check the media players server on my server and there’s all my shows.
So there’s the integrated app into my TV where I can just find it via folder and there it is.
So…
Andy
nice.
It works out good.
Frank
I guess that means that we should probably wrap up this episode.
Andy
No, I’m sorry for making it short.
I don’t have a whole lot to say.
Chris
Don’t wrap up the episode, you plastic waster.
Frank
Well, who knew that Kevin being there but not saying anything would fill 40 minutes of content.
Andy
Well, he does give me a lot to talk about personally because I got to sit there and try to impress the guy to get a smile out of him.
So that leads to more talking too.
Frank
And it’s funny to watch you sycophantly.
Try that and fail more often than you’re successful.
Andy
I love you too, buddy.
Frank
What are friends for?
Andy
Oh, beauty.
Frank
All right.
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Chris
The very, very end.
Frank
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Our panelists this week are me, Franklin.
Well, our panelists overall, completely, totally, because I like to stumble.
Our panelists are me, Franklin Christensen, and my friends, Kevin Buckner, Chris Weber, and Andy Cotter.
Chris
Minus Kevin this week.
Frank
Yeah, like that.
Until next time, we’re going offline.
Chris
Oh, this is the part where I say the bit, right?
Andy
Just got stringing and oozing everywhere, so that’s all I got.