Frank
Thank you for joining us.
This is episode 55 of Amateur 3D Podcast, a podcast by amateur printers for amateur printers where we share our thoughts and experience.
Our panelists this week are me, Franklin Christensen, and my friends Chris Weber, Andy Cottam, and Kevin Buckner.
Kevin
Heyo!
Andy
How are we doing?
Frank
Apparently, I’ve missed so much time on this podcast over the last couple of months that I forgot how to do the intro.
I’m there.
Andy
Just a little tiny stroke.
Chris
It’s been a rough summer.
Andy
Yeah.
Frank
This is episode 55, guys.
Andy
Yeah, we’ve done a lot of these.
Frank
We’ve put out so much garbage that we’re on the second half of a hundred.
Andy
That’s good, that’s good, I like that.
Frank
And we’ve grown by five listeners in the last couple of weeks, too, which means there’s people that like this garbage.
Andy
Yeah, yeah.
We’re a very niche, niche podcast.
Frank
Yeah, it’s kind of terrifying to me, actually.
Almost feels like we’ve arrived without going anywhere.
Andy
Yeah.
Frank
I don’t know.
So, for the people that are listening, I think back at some of the podcasts that I’ve listened to for years, you know, same people listen to on them, you know, once twice a week or whatnot, and you feel like you know those people.
You feel like they’re part of your lives, and if you’ve seen them on the street, you could go and they’re your friend, because you’ve been sharing this whole past year listening to them talk, and just think, there are people out there still the same way about us.
Kevin
Right?
Chris
That’s creepy.
Andy
I mean, it’s probably only one or two, but you know, they’re there.
Frank
Oh yeah.
You got to figure, you know, you and Kevin and Chris, I’m assuming that you’re subscribed to us and from your vendors, so that’s three of our subscribers there.
My wife and at least one or two cousins, that’s another two, three, the odd friends that you guys have talked to.
So, at least half of the people that are listening to this right now don’t actually know our faces.
Kevin
Right.
Andy
I’ll still give them a hug if I see them in public.
Chris
That’s even more creepy.
Andy
I’m like, because I’m a huggy guy, you can get a hug huggy.
Chris
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, hug you.
You can just hug off, okay?
Andy
I can run.
Frank
I’m a shaker.
Give me your hand.
I’ll shake your hand.
If you try to hug me, if you try to hug me, I will violently defend myself.
Chris
Yeah.
Andy
That explains past black eyes.
Chris
You can just go off and hug yourself, okay?
Kevin
Well then
Andy
COVID did kind of screw that up for a lot of people.
Even shaking hands anymore from COVID is, you know, it almost feels weird when you have someone come and reach out to grab your hand when they’re greeting you.
Frank
I actually still hesitate.
Actually first month of shutdown, I think, I ran into a neighbor I hadn’t seen in a while.
I actually worked with the guy in the way back when.
We sat and chatted and I started off by reaching up to shake his hand and he’s like, man, I can’t risk getting sick.
I’m going in for surgery to get my clavicles mounted back together.
Andy
Yeah.
Chris
Oh, wow.
Frank
And my whole brain went, holy crap, I can’t afford to get this guy sick.
I need to step back.
Andy
Yeah.
Frank
And that was after being cooped up for three months, I was pretty sure I wasn’t going to be sick, but I just didn’t want to risk preventing him from being able to get into the hospital, you know, right?
Andy
Yeah.
No kidding.
Frank
And that was when we had no clue the shenanigans that we’re going to follow
Kevin
right?
Andy
Yeah.
No kidding.
It’s funny in grocery stores and stuff when you’re queuing in a line, how you still try to achieve that six feet.
Most people still do.
There’s a couple that will snuggle with you and whatnot, but most people still try to keep that six foot.
Chris
No.
So it’s really weird.
Like people will be, you know, people will keep that, you know, four to six foot range ahead of them.
But for some reason, always the person right behind me has to be six inches from six inches from my back.
Well, they’re breathing down my neck, like almost literally.
Frank
I was one of those people where I wanted people to stay six feet away from me normally.
Chris
Yeah, me too.
The people always bugged me, but it got worse.
Frank
Yeah.
The six foot rule became a governmental thing instead of a personal preference.
And I was happy with that.
Andy
That was a win.
Frank
And then half the population lost their minds and decided that they were going to violate every, every person’s personal bubble as excessively as possible.
And that was irritating to me, too.
So
Andy
yeah.
Chris
Well, you know, they did that because the government recommended.
Frank
Right. No…
Chris
the government recommended that you don’t
Frank
strongly recommended.
I agree.
Strongly recommended that you don’t go and invade other people’s personal bubbles and they they took that as a challenge.
Frank
Yeah, unfortunately.
Chris
Yeah.
Yeah.
Frank
Just in case, just in case there was any hesitation on where at least three of us stand for… uh…
Chris
So I still, I still wear a mask to places that there are lots of people, you know, yeah, just simply because I don’t know if I’m still sick.
And that gives me the highest risk of transferring said possible sickness to anyone.
But like, if I know there’s going to be open space or, you know, very few people or whatever, no mask, I’m good because I can’t work with the dang thing on.
Frank
And in the end, that’s just being socially responsible is the thing.
Andy
Yeah.
Frank
And the wackadoodles out there that are criticizing people for trying to be socially responsible are the ones that irritate me the most.
Chris
Yeah, I’m thinking that, you know, because I choose to wear a mask where there are lots of people were, you know, crowded areas is why somebody always has to, you know, find their way six inches behind me.
Andy
Yeah
Frank
it could be.
In their mind, your virtue signaling and so they got a virtue signal their own virtue over your virtue because your virtue is unimportant.
Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Chris
it’s just really uncomfortable.
Frank
Indeed.
I agree.
And unfortunate.
I think it’s unfortunate that this is where we are.
Andy
Yeah.
Kevin
Yeah.
Andy
Things really feel like they’re falling apart.
But the more you look back in history, it’s been a lot worse.
We’re doing okay.
Chris
Yeah.
Yeah.
Frank
In a lot of ways we are.
I agree.
Um, I don’t want to argue about it, though.
And that is the main thing that I feel like a modern world needs to be aware of.
I disagree, but it’s not worth an argument.
Andy
Yes.
Frank
So let’s walk away.
Chris
Yeah.
Frank
Anyway, uh
Chris
We’re 10 minutes into the podcast.
Frank
That’s, uh, yeah, Andy or, uh, she’s because my brain occasionally crosses wires, even though I’ve known all of you for so long as I have Chris, you mentioned it, why don’t you go first?
What have you worked on this week?
Chris
Okay.
Um, so I decided to experiment with ABS yesterday.
Andy
Okay
How’d that go?
Chris
Well, I posted a couple of pictures.
Um, it looked, I, I did some, uh, super, super fine tuning love bed leveling after my first two prints.
Kevin
Tramming.
Chris
Tramming
Okay.
I’m super, I did some super fine tramming, uh, when, uh, the first two prints went awry.
Okay.
And, um, it turns out that my third and fourth prints still did the same thing.
And it’s simply because I don’t have the enclosure and ABS was shrinking on me.
And this, the shrinkage caused it to, uh, pull itself off of the bed.
Kevin
I don’t see any pictures.
Frank
Yeah.
Neither do I.
Chris
Oh my goodness.
I took pictures and I did not post them.
Let me do that for you guys.
You know, it was two in the morning.
I didn’t want to disturb you guys.
Andy
Oh, you’re fine.
Kevin
I would have been asleep.
Frank
I have my ringer off when I go to sleep.
So
Chris
well, not everybody puts their phone on DND and I want to be… nice.
Frank
Curteous, that’s fair.
We, we, we appreciate the effort, Chris.
Chris
Yeah.
Andy
I keep the phone right by my head, but however, I’m one of those people, those lucky people who can like go to sleep at the click of a finger.
Frank
and I’m one of those people…
Andy
Waking up to check something and going back to sleep.
Don’t even realize it.
Frank
I’m one of those people that had a dream about a spider on my face and jumped out of bed to turn on the light and scared my wife to death.
So…
Chris
Okay so I just, I just posted pictures for you guys, um, for our visual listeners.
You can see where, so this was my last iteration where I was, I was absolutely sure everything was set dead perfect.
I was going to have a great time.
Um, and I didn’t, but…
Frank
is that, is that edge delaminating?
Like, are there layers separation there or is that just coming off the bed plate?
Chris
Oh, no, it’s coming off the bed plate.
Frank
Okay.
Chris
So I put like, I put, I put three layers of hairspray on this and I cranked up my bed temperature to, to, to, to the max based on what I was reading.
Uh, ABS should be at, and yeah.
Um, and after this, I looked up what my particular printer was set for and why I might still be having problems.
And, um, I did post the article for you guys or yeah, the article.
And it turns out that my printer is really good at, at ABS if you have it in an enclosure, but it does not, it does not have an enclosure provided.
Frank
Yeah, which is why you’ve been, um, maybe you came across this article earlier and that’s why you’ve been driving so hard to get an enclosure built for it.
Chris
Uh, no, I was just going on the hair safe from Andy, but.
Frank
Ah, so now you have confirmation.
Chris
Yep.
Built the enclosure.
Yeah.
And it’s about three quarters of the way done.
So I actually was trying to put a plexiglass door on it last night because I’m like, okay, I really want to print this thing in ABS and I want to, so I, I tried to get this done last night and put the door on it and get it started.
And I broke the plexiglass.
So…
Andy
oh no.
Chris
Yeah.
So it’s going to be a little, it’s going to be another little bit, but yeah.
So, um, I got a new car in the last week and so I was like, okay.
Um, and I happened to be at the junkyard for other, other reasons.
My dad needed some donuts, donut tires.
Frank
Oh, I was going to say, why would you go to a junkyard and they get donuts?
Chris
Yeah.
So my, my dad’s basically diabetic and I bring him some donuts and he’s like, anyway, so, um, I went to the junkyard and, uh, picked up a stereo for the new car.
And me being me, you know, there is a, you have to pay like 30 bucks for the whole adapter kit or you can spend five bucks for just the wiring harness.
And I’m going, well, I’m just going to buy the wiring harness and 3D print the adapter.
Andy
There you go.
Chris
And it is right there and it’s on Thingiverse.
I don’t even have to design anything, you know, he said he printed his in PLA, but recommended, um, ABS for long term and I’m like, well, that makes sense.
So that’s why I was trying to print an ABS and it is a, you know, 45 minute print job.
Andy
Yeah.
Chris
So, you know, not super long or anything, but it doesn’t do me any good.
If I can’t keep the dang thing on the bed, but yeah, on the bed.
Yeah.
So…
Andy
what other thing to keep in mind with ABS is when you see people print ABS stuff, you might notice that they’re often smaller items.
And that’s because if it doesn’t delaminate during the printing process, over time, that tension continues to build, it can delaminate down the road.
Frank
So, so in other words, Chris, it might still be a good idea for you to figure out a, if not a dehydrator, some other way to condition it so that you can emulsify.
Is that the right word?
Well, so that you can normalize the tensions.
Andy
I had it in my head until you said it.
Chris
I really should just print this thing in PETG.
I’m so dumb.
Andy
Yeah.
Yeah.
Whenever you see ABS, you could swap that out with PETG in your head and it’ll be almost the same.
That’s that’s the closest non ABS plastic there is to ABS.
Chris
I should, yeah, I should have just waited and got some PETG.
Yep.
Andy
Oh, you’re fine.
Chris
Well, it’s not too late.
So.
Andy
yeah.
aneal, aneal, that’s the word.
Frank
aneal, that’s it.
I agree.
That is the word.
Word, word.
aneal is the word.
Andy
I wonder if you could, aneal, an ABS part and stop it from doing that.
That’s one thing I never looked into.
That might work.
So logic says that it should work.
Frank
Right.
It should relax the tension on the layers.
Capital S.
Since Chris is the one playing with it, we’re going to wait for him to figure that out and then let us know.
Andy
Good deal.
Chris
Yeah, we’ll get there when we get there.
Andy
Yeah.
Frank
Sounds like you’ve been having some fun though, Chris.
Chris
Yeah, yes.
And yeah, yeah, it’s been a week.
Frank
I’m sorry.
I should have explicitly done the air quotes instead of just suggestively.
Done the air quotes.
Chris
Yeah, for the visual listeners.
Yeah, there’s there’s air quotes in like half of these words we all just said.
Frank
Did you have anything else to share?
Chris
Nope, that was it.
Frank
Cool.
Andy
Wow.
Chris
I mean, getting angry and fighting my printer because it’s not doing what it was not designed to do.
Frank
Story of my life man.
Story of my life.
Andy
Beauty.
Frank
Chris, have you done it or I did it again.
Andy, have you done anything this week?
Yeah, you guys just need to switch your names.
And then when I switch them again, I’ll have it right.
So…
Andy
there we go.
Yes, I did actually do a couple of things.
The wife is working on some podcasts or podcasts, some cosplay stuff.
Frank
I’m glad to know that I’m not the only one that can’t seem to think in proper words today.
Andy
Yeah, the word holes just kind of spitting out weird stuff.
It’s not doing what it should.
Frank
Must be something in the air.
Chris
I think I was the only one that kept his brain with him today.
Frank
I know he’s compromised as far as brain mass anyway.
So.
Kevin
Well, it’s true.
I am missing a piece of my brain.
This is a documented fact!
Andy
How much how much did they remove from you?
Kevin
I don’t know.
Frank
Didn’t weigh it.
Kevin
I they didn’t tell me the weight.
But it’s they removed a chunk that was a ball that measured like three centimeters by four centimeters.
Andy
Oh, wow.
And that took all the superpowers away, right?
Kevin
Unfortunately
Andy
like no telekinesis anymore.
That that sounds like a horrible trade off.
Chris
Well, it turned him evil, too, because now he’s bald with a big scar across his head so…
Frank
And he can actually think things through.
Chris
again for our visual listeners.
Andy
True, true.
But yes, so on a couple of podcasts ago, I made an error that pissed off a lot of anime folk.
I was trying to remember the word of the group of people in a particular anime that she was cosplaying something from.
Chris
The not Naruto.
Andy
Yes, I said not Naruto.
It wasn’t the cat boy.
Did have anything to do with him.
Apparently, I’m very wrong.
It’s the not.
Oh, my gosh, I had this.
I was ready to go.
Chris
Naruto is the nine tailed fox.
Andy
Katsuki Nakatsuki.
is that it?
something like that?
OK, anyway, I was instructed to print the base of a sword that’s like a skull that just is on the very back of the sword.
And…
Chris
so it’s like a pommel.
Andy
Yes, yes, that’s exactly it.
And but I’m not a model.
I can’t do models like Kevin does.
I’m more mechanical pieces.
So I went to thingiverse on this.
And actually, the wife did.
She picked out a skull.
Now, it’s supposed to have the face on both sides.
She found a really nice skull, but it’s got the face on both sides.
And the very top of the skull is supposed to have the hole for the pole for the sword itself, right?
And so I figured, OK, well, I could just merge two together and pop the hole in it.
That seems like something I could do.
I threw the model into my CAD softwares that I’m used to using.
And all of them took a dump on me because, oh, my gosh, there are so many triangles in those kind of models that they’re just not used to.
And they didn’t really work too well.
Frank
The meshes get troublesome for CAD programs.
Chris
What if you just throw it in?
What if you just throw it in Cura and then do a mirror model and kind of overlap them right in the middle where you want them to?
Andy
That is exactly what I wound up doing.
I never considered using Cura as an editor.
I also took a cylinder in there and used it as a bullion for the model, so that allowed me to cut the hole.
But when I printed this, no, this has got supports all over it.
Look at that print quality.
Look, it’s got more boogers all over it than my son’s face does.
Chris
I was like, this is supposed to be a skull.
Andy
Yeah, yeah, well, it is, but it’s still got the supports attached so you can’t really see it.
OK, yeah, because when it came out like this, we weren’t even going to bother removing the supports.
Chris
It looks like Mount Rushmore pre.
Frank
Yeah, pre-detailing.
Chris
Yeah, pre-detailing.
There’s the eleven grandfather’s, yes.
Frank
There’s a picture of an in an uncompleted work from, I think it’s Michelangelo, where he had this philosophy when it came to sculpting that he is that he approaches it like he’s not creating a design.
He’s removing everything from the design that’s already there.
Chris
Oh, yeah.
Frank
And so the picture that I saw of the sculpture is a person and you can see their face and, you know, some of their attributes.
And it looks like they’re trying to escape the stone.
Andy
Oh, that’s cool.
Frank
And Andy, I got to say your two skulls there look kind of the same way.
It looks like they’re trying to be skulls, but there’s too much plastic.
Andy
Oh, that’s cool.
That’s cool.
But so I was suddenly very concerned about my printer, right?
Like what what the heck’s all this booger?
This is I printed it out of TPU at first because it was going to be something that she would hit against the ground and things like that.
So I wanted to be able to take abuse.
And that came out like this and I’m thinking, oh, OK, I don’t print models out of TPU.
This might be something related that I’m just haven’t experienced yet.
So I printed out a PETG and that’s when it came out all boogery.
And I’m thinking, well, gosh, PETG boogers.
There might be something to that I’m unaware of.
And she just needs this darn thing.
So let me just print it out a PLA.
PLA works 100 percent beautifully every time.
This is the PLA one that’s covered in boogers.
And I was a little stressed like, what the heck’s going on with this?
And so I went and I sliced and printed a cube, a what’s it called?
Chris
A calibration cube
Andy
calibration cube.
Yeah.
And you know what?
Not a single booger came out beautiful.
Just what you’d expect from a printer.
No problems at all.
So I don’t know why this is so unbelievably crappy.
However, I did notice something when I slicing it.
This skull.
It’s got a face on both sides.
I took two models, kind of like what you’re saying, merge them together, and then I put the cylinder on top, pull you into the cylinder and then slice it like that.
The two models merging together are not merging as one.
They’re still being sliced as two individual models just overlapping each other.
And that’s, I think, why this has so much extra booger plastic.
Chris
You’re you’re that’s it.
You’re printing twice.
Andy
Yeah.
And you look at the lines and they are straight up crossing over each other and everything.
The infill doesn’t, though.
The infill looks like it filled properly for the model, but the shells do not.
They were like crossing right over each other.
So I don’t know what to make of that, but yeah.
Frank
So there is an option when you’re merging or when you you’ve put two things and they’re supposed to be merged together.
There’s two options in Cura.
One of them is to create a group out of them like you want them to be treated like the same object.
And one of them is to actually merge them.
Did you do that when you were putting them together?
Andy
No, no.
OK.
So I’m in Cura right now.
Do I just select them both and then do something or?
Frank
Well, you put them so that they’re overlapping.
Andy
Merge models.
Chris
Yeah, that thing.
Andy
Merge models.
OK.
Stand by.
We are merging the models and we’re going to re-slice.
The models disappeared.
It didn’t like to merge.
They just vanished.
Chris
Um, did you upgrade to the new five four?
It came out two days ago.
Andy
I am running five three.
Yeah.
Chris
So I did not upgrade to five four yet myself, but it is a it is available.
So I don’t know if that will help or not.
Andy
Yeah, weird.
OK.
I’m going to play with that.
This may be the solution I was looking for.
Thank you for that advice.
However, I mean, it did just vanish when I merged the two.
Frank
But it’s kind of strange to me.
Andy
Yeah, I could have done something wrong.
I haven’t actually really played with the feature.
a whole lot myself.
I’ve just seen it while I was doing other stuff because I don’t like how Cura reorganizes everything when I tell it to center.
So I started grouping the things in the formation that I want them to be and then centering the group.
And that works great.
Andy
OK.
Chris
Yeah, it does.
And even better, if you make sure you hit the lay flat button before uh…
Frank
Yeah, that helps.
Definitely helps.
Kevin
Yeah.
Yeah.
Andy
Yeah, I don’t know.
I’m not to play with this.
It doesn’t seem to be working for me.
Oh, it’s because it’s super tiny.
Oh, that’s weird.
OK.
I don’t know what it’s doing.
I’ll fight this later.
But that might be an option.
That might be good.
Yeah, because this just does not work and that is not OK.
And I even downloaded Maya and tried fooling with being able to do it in Maya.
And that’s just I need a week to learn that software one of these days because that would solve a lot of my problems.
Because I just don’t know how to use it.
Kevin
Kick it.
Andy
But I did do that.
Some fun stuff during the week here.
The my 10 year old really wanted to make a spider web for Halloween out on the porch and he wanted spiders for it.
Oh, I wish I would have kept one of them.
I would have showed you guys.
But anyway, so he went into his little Paint 3D program that he’s been using to model and he made some spiders, which is just kind of like a a cylinder, not a cylinder.
I don’t even know what to call it, a football shape.
And he gave it four legs that look like legs.
And I mean, a spider with only four legs and no face is kind of weird.
But he put that together on his own and it printed out really well.
And he really liked it.
And then today he went and he made his spider web out of yarn out on the porch and he attached all of his little spiders that we made for him that we printed using that paint 3D software.
So even though it’s very rudimentary, he’s running with it, being able to model with it, which is really cool.
Frank
When it’s small enough, you don’t necessarily count the legs when you’re walking by anyway, right?
So…
Andy
yeah, yeah
Frank
I’m OK with that.
Chris
Well, yeah, well, you got to start somewhere.
So you end up with rudimentary, then you got middlementary and then you got highmentary and some some advanced college in mentry after that.
Frank
I I literally think of all math as more rudimentary forms of calculus these days.
So…
Andy
do yeah?
Chris
you’re not necessarily wrong but…
Andy
I wouldn’t say Frank’s wrong
That’s that’s an invite to be to be told.
Frank
Well, I will tell you.
Chris
I just said he’s not wrong.
Frank
I specified before we started recording, but I am apparently challenging my values today.
So the things that I have returned to as having values are pretty definitive for the next little while.
So I will defend them.
Kevin
to the death.
Chris
To the pain!
Frank
First blood.
Andy
But yeah, so that’s that’s what we got done so far with the printer.
I mean, for a second there, I thought I was having all sorts of printer problems.
But…
Chris
yeah
Andy
no, I think it was just slice and funny and using way more plastic than it should be.
So well, it was overlapping models.
Chris
I meant to ask how did the wife do with Fanex?
Andy
Great, everything turned out really great.
My my son made a costume because he wants to be like his mom on costume design.
And she let him run with his own thing and just let him do what he wanted to do.
He made it out of cardboard.
It was one of the Five Nights of Freddy things.
And um…
Chris
was it the bear guy?
Andy
Yeah, no, it was that was a wolf.
I think it was OK.
Yeah, one of those.
But he made it all out of cardboard and he painted it.
So I mean, it was very much a ten year old making a costume kind of thing.
But it worked out really well.
He really enjoyed it and it fell apart halfway through and had to be garbaged.
But other than that, it worked out pretty good.
And Jenny’s costumes all worked out well.
I didn’t really have anything to do with those this time.
I do got the snake for the sandworm for Beetlejuice.
I am wanting to make animatronic.
But that’s a project down the road.
That wasn’t for Fanex this year.
It was for her costume because she’ll make a costume and then she’ll use it for several things for a few years.
So even though her Beetlejuice costume is brand new this year and she took it to Fanex, excuse me, it’s going to be something she’s going to be using a lot more later.
And if I can come up with something anematronic for it, then that would be fun.
If not, I can say I’m not going to have time to do it or what not.
And that’ll be fine too.
However, I did buy the extra 40����ℎ�������������.����40plushietotearapart.Soor25 plushie to tear apart so that I can, you know, make it animatronic without affecting the one she uses for her costume.
But that’s all I got sunk into it right now, other than I did buy like two larger servos for the project, too.
But that could be used for anything.
So I’m not really counting that, but we’ll see what goes with that.
I still haven’t made any progress with my fan board.
I went last week after the podcast to start etching my circuit boards for my fish tank fan project I’ve been working on.
And I did some back in the day with my old printer and things worked out really well.
However, I did use Paint Shop Pro in order to make the circuit board design.
And I used normal paper and I ironed it on and then used water to get rid of the paper.
So that’s how I did the transfer back then.
This last week, I could not for the life of me do it at all.
Like I tried a bunch of different ways to be able to make that transfer, printing on a couple of different kinds of materials.
And I think there’s just something different about my toner on this printer.
I don’t know if it’s not like a poly toner or whatever, but it’s just not working for me.
And it might be something stupid that I’m just not doing right.
I had some photo paper, but it was all inkjet photo paper.
And I didn’t really think about that.
So when I went to go use it, I saw the inkjet label on it.
And that got me concerned like, oh, maybe maybe I should double check if I could use this because you got to be careful what you put in a laser printer because of the fuser, you know?
Yeah.
So I looked it up and, you know, you don’t run inkjet paper through a fuser.
So that’s not going to work.
I did buy some more paper, though, for it, but I haven’t got a chance to use it.
But later this week, me and the wife, a long time ago, were thinking about getting a laser cutter for some of her cosplay stuff with her cutting out a lot of foam and things like that.
It would have been nice for her to do.
And the costume that she’s doing right now is getting really kind of complicated and led to us talking again about getting a laser printer.
You can see here all of these foam triangles she’s cutting out.
Frank
The laser etcher, because a laser printer is the other thing that you were talking about.
Andy
Oh, sorry, I thought I said laser cutter, my mistake.
But so we were thinking about doing that.
And so we looked into it again and found one for that was a rebuild, a re, what’s it called, when they
Frank
refurbished
Andy
there’s a refurbished one for 200 bucks, it was a 10 watt laser printer, laser cutter.
And so we kind of talked about a little bit like that’s actually not too bad of a deal.
The one we were looking at was like a four hundred dollar one straight out.
So two hundred dollars, that was like half price.
And when I got looking into it, because I don’t really know much about it, there’s two different real kinds of laser printers, mostly diode and CO2.
CO2 is a lot more for like the big, like actual cut or can professional commercial grade cutters.
And diode ones are like desktop cutters, like what I might get.
And the diodes, from what I understand, are the most powerful ones you can get are like five watts, and they make them more powerful by doubling up on how many there are in the head and just adding them together.
So you can get a five, a 10, a 20 and a 40.
And the price is really stuck to the diode laser output than the actual gantry itself.
And so the one we got is one from the very bottom, it was a 10 watt laser.
But that should be more than plenty to be able to do what she’s doing with this.
And so we decided to go ahead and get it since we got an opportunity to get such a cheap one, 200 bucks for that unit that I showed you guys, not bad.
But later this week, I discovered when I was fighting through what to do next about my circuit boards, because right now I’m thinking the only thing I can really do now is just send them off and have them ordered to make them.
That’s still very much an option.
So this isn’t a loss, but I might have to figure that out and pay someone to make the boards for me because my printer is not doing it.
While I was looking up what I might be doing wrong, I came across people using a laser cutter to etch a circuit board.
But what they do is they use like an enamel spray paint on the board and they use the laser to cut to burn away the enamel paint.
And that’s how you get the transfer onto the board and then you etch it with chemicals like normal.
So I don’t need a powerful laser to do something like that at all because it’s just got a vaporize paint, which is really, really super easy to do.
So that’s another reason why I’m kind of happy.
I was happy to show you guys earlier the laser cutter we got because I might be able to use that for my stupid circuit boards.
I’m struggling with so much.
Frank
And you can get some good precision from it and cut the holes in the right place and all that while you’re at it, too.
Andy
So I haven’t seen anybody.
I looked that up.
I haven’t really seen anybody do it.
I saw one person showing them trying to cut through a PCB and it wasn’t working.
They were like getting like halfway through it and it just wasn’t working anymore.
So I don’t know if I’ll be able to drill the board with this laser because it might not be powerful enough, but I’m definitely going to try because I could always make the the holes.
I could leave them open to the etchants so it edges away the copper.
So I don’t have to worry about burning the copper away with the laser.
But the fiberglass circuit board might be hard to burn away with the laser.
But I don’t know if that’ll work, but I’m still going to try it.
Frank
Sounds like it’ll be fun to hear about over the next couple of weeks.
If nothing else.
Andy
Yeah.
Yeah.
They’re just one options.
I want to be able to make my own circuit board.
That’s an important skill I want to have.
And so I’m fighting that one really hard.
And I’ve already did all the tutorials for KeyCAD and got pretty good at it.
So now I can make my own circuit boards on the computer and produce Gerber files and stuff.
So that works
Chris
I just shared my laser printer.
YOu should be able to…
Andy
You just what?
Chris
I’m joshing yeah.
Andy
Oh, OK.
I’m sorry.
Sorry.
So…
Chris
I have… Sorry.
Andy
Oh, no, you’re fine.
So that’s what I’ve been working on after the podcast here.
I’m going to bring that laser cutter over here and keep on playing with it.
I I started trying to do a little image on a piece of wood and a burning right through the image and just trying to get it right.
It’s really easy to use.
I’m very surprised at how easy it is to use.
Frank
And that’s a super thin piece of wood, too.
You have to be more careful with that than you would probably your PCB.
So
Kevin
yeah
Andy
very, very true.
And on top of it, too, I would be blowing the copper or blowing the paint off the copper.
The copper is going to take a lot of abuse with the laser before you hurt it.
And the paint will vaporize very easy.
So I’ve got like a really large room for error when it comes to that.
But also, one more thing I’ll be able to do is be able to use the laser to remove the paint on the solder pads once I’ve etched the board as well.
So I don’t have to to use necessarily a solder mask, the UV kind of solder masks.
So I’ve got some experimenting to come.
And hopefully, I mean, I’m like three weeks, I’ve been fighting just making the circuit board here.
So hopefully the end of this week, I’ll actually have something to show for and I can start soldering the thing together.
I’ve got a lot of projects backing up on me here.
So I’ve got a lot of stuff I want to do.
And I’m going to have to start dropping some stuff off because I just don’t have the time to do it.
And I don’t want to do that.
Frank
Well, to be fair, to be fair, Andy, I go through waves of yeah, I can do that.
Yeah, I can do that.
Yeah, I can do that.
Oh, crap, I got so much stuff I need to do.
I need to take some of this off the list.
Andy
Yeah, no kidding
Kevin
I think we all do that.
Andy
That’s a fault I almost don’t like because then you just end up being somebody who like talks about all these fun things they want to do and stuff like that and nothing ever comes of it, you know.
Frank
Unfortunately, some of it’s because the list gets so long, we don’t even want to look at it.
Andy
No kidding, that’s true.
Now, one of the most stressful things I’ve ever done to myself is to put together a to-do list.
That was the most productive year I ever had and the most stressful one I’ve ever had.
Frank
My wife realized that I want to do lots of stuff, but I don’t necessarily get to it very quickly.
So she’s gotten better at looking at me and going, no, I’d rather buy this.
And by the time she gets there, I’m like, yeah, that’s probably a good idea.
I want to build it, but I’m probably not going to get to it in anything that resembles a rational time period.
So…
Andy
yeah, yeah, that’s true.
However, the wife is going out of town next week.
I think it’s next week, might be the week after that.
She every year goes with her coworkers to Vegas, has a little girls night out kind of thing and has some fun.
And I take the week off and I get to be more Mom during the week during that time, which I’m excited for.
Frank
Mr. Mom all week?
Andy
Oh, yeah.
So yes.
Well, I definitely play the mom during the when I’m at home, but I work such late hours all the time.
I’m usually not at home to, you know, really have much of effect during the week.
So…
Frank
sure.
Andy
In the weekends, I spend talking to you guys while my kids fend for themselves upstairs on their own.
So it’ll be nice to have some time to be able to do some stuff and finish a bunch of projects for that week.
So I have a lot of free time, quote, unquote, free time.
But that’s been my week.
Frank
How about you, Kevin, you do anything this week?
Kevin
I’ve done, yeah, I’ve done some stuff.
And I posted a picture of my attempt to print the white squares for the nightmare chess set, and I don’t know exactly what happened.
So the the first attempt, they kind of peeled on the edges and it looked like they shifted a little bit.
I didn’t post pictures of that.
And so I was like, well, this is useless.
And so I cleaned it all off and I put it back on.
And then I tried again and you can see that in the picture, I posted that one of those tiles got all boogery and messed up.
And then what happened with that is that then the as the nozzle went through that, it grabbed onto the nozzle and shifted the entire build plate, just a couple centimeters or not centimeters, millimeters to the right.
And it kind of threw off the whole thing.
So I stopped it at that point and I was like, OK, we need to we need to reassess and reevaluate and reattempt.
So what what I’m going to do instead is I’m just going to print nine at a time instead of trying to print.
However, many it was, I think it was like 16.
Andy
like 12… something like that.
Yeah, you’ve got a lot on there.
Kevin
Yeah, because it was nine, 11, 13, 15, 16.
So I’m just going to do nine at a time and it should work better.
Andy
OK.
Kevin
So I tried doing that.
I’ve started, I’ve also been cleaning off the supports from the Black Army that I’ve printed and then I I got some of the some brass eyelets for the the pickups that I’m going to be making.
And I ordered two millimeter eyelets and to fit in the two millimeter holes that I had printed in the flatworks.
And they didn’t they didn’t fit.
So I don’t know I got out my calipers and I was like, OK, what is the outer diameter here and the the the cheap plastic caliper I have showed that it was about four millimeters.
And I looked at that and said that does not sound right to me.
So I ordered… I bit the bullet and I ordered a nice metal digital caliper.
Andy
Oh, nice.
Kevin
Yeah
Frank
for better accuracy.
Yeah, when you’re talking two and four millimeters, it’s nice to have a little more accuracy there.
Kevin
Yeah.
And so using that, I was able to see that it’s actually closer to two point nine eight millimeters.
So I went back into FreeCAD and I expanded the holes to three millimeters.
Andy
OK
Kevin
that should be fine.
And it’ll allow enough tolerance that the eyelets should fit snugly in there.
But I don’t want to waste what I’ve already done, so I’m going to drill out those holes to be three millimeters.
And then I’m going to wind the bobbins to make the pickups.
And along with that, the the guides I’ve seen online for making pickups have been a little unclear toward the end of it as to exactly how you wire them up and stuff.
They like that they show illustrations that didn’t seem to match the instructions and the instructions didn’t say anything about attaching the copper wire that you’re coiling around it to anything and whatever.
It’s like, so was it just supposed to magically jump to the signal wire to get it to the amplifier?
And so I thought, I thought, OK, I need to get my hands on a humbucker that I can just take apart and figure out how it’s all wired together.
Andy
OK
Kevin
so I looked on Amazon first and saw that I could get a cheap one for twenty five dollars.
OK, I thought, well, maybe I should maybe I should go to Guitar Center first to see what they might have.
And so I went there yesterday and as I was just kind of standing around waiting to be helped, a guy came to me and said, like, hey, do you need any help with anything?
And I said, yeah, I want to know what your least expensive humbucker is because I want to take it apart so that I can figure out how to make my own.
And he said, oh, well, I’ve got some you can just have then.
Oh, it just so happened that I was talking to one of the repair techs.
And part of his job is switching out humbuckers or really pickups of any sort for people who want to upgrade the pickups in their guitar.
And so he took me over to his work area and pulled open a drawer.
He’s like, yeah, I take these out of guitars and nobody wants them because, you know, there’s a reason they’re replacing them.
Andy
Yeah.
Kevin
So I just hang on to them until the end of the day when I discard all of them.
Oh, man.
Oh, here you go.
Enjoy.
Frank
And that’s why I like the musical community.
There’s a lot of competition, but there’s also a lot of oh, this is a fascinating project.
Let me help you.
Kevin
Right.
Andy
Yeah.
Kevin
And if you get really good at it, maybe you can reach back out to this guy and say, hey, you remember that guy you gave some of your old humbuckers?
I’ve got this figured out and I’ve got some that I want to give you a try on.
And if they work for you, I can build them for you.
We can figure out a cost and all that other stuff.
And there you go.
There’s your into the industry that you were talking about for building guitars.
Kevin
Yeah.
Andy
Mm hmm.
Very true.
Frank
That’s fun.
Kevin
Yeah, that’s that is doing.
Andy
Yeah.
Well, how about you, Frank?
What have you been up to?
Frank
Oh, going back to another thing we talked about before the podcast, I’ve missed so much.
Well, at the beginning of the podcast, sorry, my brain doesn’t like me today as I’ve already discussed.
Um, I’ve missed a lot of time.
And last week was one of those episodes where I missed.
And so my contention with PETG and my printer and this dragon that I’m putting together for my mother-in-law has finally come to a head.
Andy
OK
Frank
when we talked the last time, I was just starting to look at deploying my own configuration from Merlin to… Marlin.
It’s Marlin, not Marlin of Marlin to my machine.
And so I got that done.
It was good baseline configuration.
And I started playing with stuff.
I do like the auto position for the tramming, which is a nice thing.
So I don’t have to touch anything and maybe set it off by bumping it in the wrong direction or whatever.
Um, I calibrated my PID, which for the uninitiated is the process by which the controller finds and maintains the temperature.
So it doesn’t make it more accurate for that temperature.
I’m still five to 10 degrees Celsius, depending on whether I’m measuring my print bed or my nozzle.
But at least once it gets to that temperature, it stays steady.
And I I don’t feel like it was unsteady before.
Andy
OK
Frank
I just know that it is now.
Andy
smooth it out.
Yeah.
Frank
Got that fixed.
Did a few other things for my configuration, just quality of life stuff that I actually didn’t realize was a problem until I started playing with it and realized, oh, yeah, I don’t like this and I can fix it now.
So I did.
And then I tried a couple of prints with this PETG.
And after having ruled everything out that I possibly could and wasn’t able to get a good first layer, like I would get a couple of lines from my raft and then it would come off and then it would drag the raft around and I’d end up with a glob at the bottom of my printer.
And it was crappy.
Frank
OK.
So last weekend when I went to the marching band competition up in northern Utah on my way out, I was thinking, you know, back to challenging my values, making sure that they stand up to even my own scruples or efforts to tear them apart.
I decided, you know what?
It’s a it must be an adhesion issue at this point because I just whatever my issue is, it’s not tramming.
It’s not temperature maintaining.
And I was reaching the maximum temperature I could for nozzle and print bed and all that stuff.
Frank
Yeah.
So I sighed.
Andy
There it comes.
Frank
And debated for a day and a half.
And I went and bought some Rav four Rave four.
And it works.
Andy
I’m glad that worked out for ya.
It it raises more questions because…
Frank
it’s not going to be my go to for everything, by the way, just PETG.
in my temperature controlled A.C. comfortable office when I’m doing PETG.
Because I still haven’t had adhesion issues with PLA.
So
Andy
OK, that’s good.
But it’s, you know, it doesn’t make sense to be resistant for the sake of being resistant, either.
So I’ve got the hairspray as one of the tools in my toolbox now.
Andy
That’s good.
Well, did you used to be able to print PETG.
or has it always been a little bit of a problem to you?
Frank
I created the not the the hardware for the desk that I’m using, but the second rendition of it that I had planned.
I printed all of those out of PETG.
And those are the ones when I first set one of the brackets up at an angle for the support reasons, if you remember me talking about that.
Andy
Yeah.
Frank
And I didn’t have I don’t feel like I had the problems with it that I did this time.
And I still haven’t ruled out that maybe having the cooler air coming through my vent from across the room could be affecting things on my build plate.
So because I don’t have a good way to test it.
Andy
Yeah.
Frank
You know, if I had one of Andy’s tools for which is the temperature camera.
Andy
Oh, yes.
Yeah.
The infrared camera.
Frank
Then I might be better.
I would be better equipped to judge that, but I don’t.
So I’m just going to work around it.
Andy
Sorry, we don’t live closer.
I just drop it off to you.
Frank
No, I understand.
And it’s more.
I was saying that more from a position of envy than a uh…
damn it, Andy, you know, but anyway, I still had some other issues that I had gotten to the point where I was still under extrusing for some reason, under extruding because my mouth likes me still at about, I want to say, five millimeters off of the build plate.
Did I put Chris asleep again?
This is like three episodes in a row that I have talked to Chris into sleep.
Kevin
He’s been asleep for a little bit.
Frank
OK, anyway.
And so I went back to my test towers and the only tower that seemed to have any effect on my print was when I was printing the speed tower and everything just fell apart at higher than 20 millimeters per second.
So I slowed it down to 20 millimeters per second and I started the print for my mother-in-law’s dragon and because it’s solid and it takes up half of my build plate.
It was projected to take 90 hours of printing.
Andy
that is a lot.
That is a lot.
Frank
But when it’s done, it’ll be real nice and it only has seven hours left.
Andy
Nice.
Nice.
That’s good.
You can see it in the background of your video there going.
That’s cool.
That still raises the question of what’s going on, though, because you shouldn’t have to be going that low.
Frank
I agree.
I also am glad to just make headway on this project and I’ll go back to PLA and see if I have the problems with that material.
That’ll be the first test, honestly, is am I still having this problem when I switch to PLA and if I’m not, I am going to go on with the projects and just chalk it up to either that spool of PETG or, you know, maybe because it’s not your standard color, it’s a it’s a little more complex.
It looks like granite when it’s printed.
So it’s got multiple colors involved with it.
And however they put that together could have affected the print quality and how it reacts to the nozzle and all that stuff.
Andy
Yeah.
Frank
I do have a project on my plate right after this dragon.
Um, the headphone mount that Kev, that I gave Kevin a little while ago.
Andy
Yeah.
Frank
I’ve used it at work.
I’ve used it in my office on my work computer and my personal computer and all that other and so I’ve been printing it for actually more than a year now.
I think I started using it before we started the podcast.
Andy
OK.
Frank
And so it’s gone through iterations and I’ve grown as a printer and that sort of thing.
Well, I abused the one from my work computer enough that it broke.
Andy
OK.
Frank
And I don’t know how old it was.
I think that the one I’ve got on my personal computer is newer than it.
But I broke it and I was like, you know what, I’m going to follow this trend of printing things solid and see how that changes my print for this.
Headset holder and see how it does and kind of go from there.
So I’ve got another solid print.
Andy
OK
Frank
to do after I’m done with my mother-in-law’s dragon and I got to figure that out.
Andy
There is something nice about printing solid once in a while.
Every once in a while, when I come across something, I need to print solid when you get it done.
It just it feels good.
It’s like got some heft to it.
It feels nice and solid.
It doesn’t feel like a 3D print anymore when you print solid.
Kind of cool.
Frank
I agree.
Andy
It doesn’t break like a 3D print either.
It doesn’t seem like layers don’t seem to really play much of a role when you break a fully 100 percent one, because it’ll just break a long way or like a chunk out of layers like normal plastic, you know.
Frank
Watching this dragon print because I’ve had 90 hours to sit and zone out and watch the dragon go.
It’s interesting to watch the layers go down.
Andy
OK.
Frank
And it just without, you know, doing anything with it, it does feel like it’s a stronger print.
Andy
Yeah.
Frank
Just looking at it.
And it’s going to be hefty.
That’s half a kilogram, so 500 grams of plastic.
Andy
That’s half a roll roll.
Yeah, that’s a lot.
Frank
Well, no, 300.
It’s 300 grams.
Oh, that’s still that’s still a lot.
I’m the role is almost empty at this point because of all the testing and reconfiguring that I’ve done with it since I got the role.
But yeah
Andy
yeah.
Frank
It’ll be an interesting thing to be done.
And I’m still going to do the post on this dragon, clean it up real good for my mother-in-law.
And so all of my projections for how much time and money have gone into this dragon for cost to probably double, at least double, what I projected for a couple of weeks ago, too.
Just because the print itself is three times as long.
My initial calculations were the dragon at 70 percent the size.
So now that it’s at 100 percent, that’s another almost almost 50 percent more plastic being used for it.
Andy
Yeah.
Frank
And so, yeah, the numbers are all way off.
But if I was to sell this, I would probably not be willing to let it go for less than 50 bucks.
But we’re also talking about the post processing that I’m planning on putting into it, too.
So.
Andy
Yeah.
Frank
But it’s also the kind of thing that’s going to last would last anybody who bought it a long time.
You can give it to your dog, probably, and they could play with it for a year before it fell apart.
So.
Andy
That’s good.
That’s good.
It looks pretty hefty.
Frank
Probably not the kind of plastic you want to give your dog.
Andy
Yeah.
But we get the point.
It’s durable.
Kevin
Right.
Frank
I think, oh, I did learn a couple of interesting things.
Andy, when I was going through, I didn’t know my what version of Marlin I was using on my printer.
Andy
OK.
Frank
And it ships from Creality with version one point one point six.
Andy
OK.
Frank
So I am literally upgrading a full version by going with the new deployment.
At some point in my research, I didn’t think of it when we talked last time, but I had found where Creality has their own repository for the configuration files.
Andy
OK.
You did manage to find it.
Frank
And I ended up not going with any of their settings.
Andy
OK.
Frank
And there was an interesting thing I had to go with a program.
I didn’t have to.
I think that Cura will do it.
But when I was calibrating my PID, because my printer does not or my card is not the kind of card where you can take like a a deployment file on a micro SD and plug it in.
I needed to direct cable it to my laptop.
Andy
OK.
Frank
And so to do things like calibrating my PID, I plugged it in and then I had a software that would allow me to send codes directly to the controller.
Andy
OK.
Just a console?
Frank
Yeah.
Yeah.
It was fun.
The one I found I had to download and compile and build and all that other fun stuff.
Oh, just kind of side note.
I ran into this issue with both that program and my deployment of Marlin.
They check for version numbers with everything.
Andy
OK.
Frank
And they didn’t like it initially.
So I just went in and manually changed the number it was looking for.
And then they built just fine.
So.
That’s the nice thing about having the access to the code is you can go.
And this is the version you’re looking for now, even though it’s the wrong one.
Andy
Yeah. That works.
Frank
Uh, but I thought it was interesting.
There’s an abort code that you can send to your controller and it just stops doing whatever it’s doing.
Andy
Yeah.
Frank
And reboots, actually.
Andy
OK.
Frank
At least I think it rebooted.
It seemed like it rebooted.
It at least stops everything.
And that’s a code 524.
Andy
Five twenty four.
Yeah.
Frank
And I ended up using that code a lot.
while I was calibrated.
Oh, it was nice because because I was plugged right into my controller.
I could.
Oh, you’re not doing what you’re supposed to reset.
So.
Andy
Yeah.
That’s good.
I had to plug into mine, too.
I didn’t do it through the SD card either.
I just.
But I just used a console, a serial console to connect to it and throw codes at it.
Frank
Hmm.
Yeah.
That’s actually kind of why I think that I probably could have gotten away with doing it through the Cura that I have on.
My not tablet.
It’s not a tablet and it’s not a laptop, but it kind of does both things.
And that’s what I have been using is my personal remote storage on my network.
So I just plugged it in.
It’s right next to the printer anyway.
So…
Andy
nice.
That works.
Frank
All fun.
Yeah, that’s good.
I’m glad that worked out.
Or at least ruled out as the as one of the causes to the problem.
Frank
Yeah.
And once I’m done with this spool, if I don’t have the problem ever again, even if I get the same material again, I it’s just going to be one of those things I don’t ever know answer to.
And I don’t like not knowing, but I also recognize that the universe isn’t going to tell Franky everything.
Andy
So and this has given you so many problems and everything else seems to be functioning fine, except this one situation.
Frank
So yeah, I’ll be happy to put it down and let the universe remind me that it’s an issue of some other time.
Andy
Yeah, yeah, that would be good.
I’m glad just in the meantime, you at least found a workaround that your printer is still usable.
So we’ll keep our fingers crossed that switching reels and switching filament types will make the problems all go away.
Frank
Indeed.
Well, should we wake up Chris so we can sign off and go to bed?
Andy
Yeah, that sounds good.
He’s already be as to a Chrissy.
We can try.
Chris, Chris, Chris.
No, he’s toast.
We’re going to have to we’ll stick Kevin with all his words.
Frank
OK, that works.
I did close my browser, so I need to go find the script again and talk through it all so that it all ends up in the transcript.
Kevin
Right.
Frank
No, don’t show the password.
Andy
It’s probably it’s the time of year where eggnog is available.
Frank
Yes
Andy
I am making myself so sick.
I’ve been drinking like half a gallon of it since yesterday.
I don’t have enough whiskey to drink that much.
Frank
I was telling the wife yesterday, I wish I had a little bit of some decent whiskey.
We got some Jenny brought home some fireball at one point.
But I’m not I’m not 18 anymore, sweetheart.
I don’t I don’t want fireball in in my eggnog.
Frank
Or or Holly, for that matter.
I think Holly still likes the cinnamon stuff.
Yeah, I have become a snob.
I don’t drink whiskey this last five years old.
Andy
Really?
Frank
I never thought I would be there.
Yeah.
Andy
You know what you like.
Frank
It’s been an interesting adventure for the last couple of years.
Yeah.
All right.
You ready, Kevin?
Kevin
Yeah.
Frank
OK.
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Well, we’d like to thank everyone for listening to the very end.
Kevin
The very, very end.
Frank
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Kevin
Keep your FEP tight.
Andy
Always use hairspray.
Frank
And this is where we get a clever response from Chris.
Andy
We need a cricket sound right here.
You need to insert or somebody’s snoring.
Frank
I can pull him snoring and just put it at the end.
Andy
That will work.
Frank
He’s going to be so self-conscious about falling asleep during the podcast.
It’ll never happen again.
Kevin
Oh, I guarantee it will.
Andy
Yeah, he’s a snoozer.
It’s fine.
It’s fine.
That just tells us we just need to be more exciting.
That’s our that’s our canary right there.
Frank
Our clock, because we haven’t had a good clock for when to end the podcast.
When Chris falls asleep, it’s time for us to wrap it up.
Andy
There you go.
That works.
Frank
It’s not Kevin being bored out of his skull.
It’s Chris falling asleep.
Andy
Good deal.