Frank
Thank you for joining us.
This is Episode 64 of Amateur 3D Podcast, a podcast by amateur printers for amateur printers, where we share our thoughts and experience.
Our panelists this week are me, Franklin Christensen, and my friends, Chris Weber and Andy Cottam.
Kevin, as he does occasionally, decided that spending time with his wife was more important than us.
Chris
Sorry, he had a, well it’s December and we got lucky that we even got last weekend without issue.
Frank
Yeah, that was a close one.
Chris
Yeah.
Just barely squeezing it in.
Andy
Yeah.
That’s a busy time of the year.
We can’t all four line up our schedules every single time, so it’s all good.
Frank
And that’s actually a big part of why I feel like it’s been a good practice to just, you know, do shorties to come out when we would record for Christmas and New Year’s weekend just so that we’re not worried about it.
Andy
Yeah, I think that’s a great idea.
Chris
Shortings is not politically…
Shorties is not politically correct.
You’re supposed to say smaller.
Frank
Okay, I’m six foot three, I wasn’t aware of this.
No, I think we learned last year for Thanksgiving that it was a good idea and should have remembered for Thanksgiving this year, but we had learned our lesson by the time we got to Christmas and New Year’s and once again, we’re back in that place.
So maybe next year for Thanksgiving, we’ll remember the lessons learned.
Andy
Knowing us, we’ll be in the same spot next year.
Frank
I feel like we had this conversation a year ago, too, so the upside is it’s archived now.
So we can go back if we want to and listen to ourselves talk about plans that we’re not going to follow through on.
Andy
Yeah, there’s a lot of those all the time.
Frank
Welcome to the real world.
Yeah, that’s my life right there.
Come up with neat ideas and see what actually comes through.
Chris
Yeah, every so often, I go through my office and I’m like, well, never getting around to that… never getting around to that chunk.
Frank
I haven’t done it in my office for a while.
That’s why it’s so messy.
Chris
Yeah.
Like I said, I do that.
I do it every year, so I’ll go through my office and go, well, nope, not doing that.
Frank
Let me guess, you do that kind of in the springtime?
Chris
Yep.
That’s good.
Frank
That’s when a lot of people…
Chris
Yeah, it’s when I’m getting my stuff ready to go for the year and going, okay, I’m going to be getting some things done.
Frank
That project is not going to happen.
That project is not going to happen.
I wish I had finished this project.
Maybe I’ll hold on to the pieces for a little while.
That project isn’t going to happen.
That project should have happened a year ago.
Why is it still on the list?
Andy
Yeah
Chris
I’m going to work on it next.
Yeah.
Andy
You don’t want to dig into how much money you’ve spent preparing for the project either, that you just decided not to do anymore.
Frank
Okay, well, my shirt is appropriate.
Andy
What does it say here?
It says, I’m not procrastinating.
I’m doing side quests.
I like that.
Frank
That is the story of my life right there
Chris
But you can basically attribute that to any of the honey dos.
They’re all side quests.
You were doing something and then the wife comes by and says, hey, honey, I need this.
Okay, side quest one.
Frank
Well, and whenever we talk about the side quest, it always comes to mind the… uh… doing the clutch in your driveway and spending the first day and a half trying to tear it down and getting to the point where one of the control arms wasn’t coming out of the CV joint.
Chris
Oh, yeah, the CV axle wasn’t coming out.
Frank
We had to push it from the backside.
Yeah.
Chris
Yeah.
I was making a tool so we could get it out.
Frank
And then I ended up giving you the tool because I had absolutely no use for it.
Chris
Yeah.
Andy
Still good.
Chris
Had that happen on, let’s see, I was doing a transmission for somebody I can’t remember.
And I ended up welding a plate with a threaded nut on the end of it so I could screw my slide hammer into the end of the CV shaft.
So it was the end of the CV shaft with the spline.
I had already pulled the rest of the CV shaft out because it just kind of happened when I was trying to pull it out.
Yeah.
And I was like, well, I’m replacing this shaft anyway.
So I welded a plate and a bolt or a nut to it so I could thread my slide hammer into it and just.
Andy
That’s nice.
Frank
Yeah.
Andy
I like little tools like that, except when you make them and they never wind up seeing any use.
I had a ball joint puller that I made out of just a piece of metal that I cut like a V slot into and two bolt holes and all that so I could use it as a press to pop out the joint.
And it worked really good.
Actually, I wouldn’t say it worked really good.
Tools like those just kind of barely work for me.
Frank
It’s an improvised tool, but it gets the job done, right?
Andy
Yeah.
Yeah.
It’s half bending when you’re trying to use it and stuff, but in the end it does work and it’s been sitting with the rest of my pullers this whole time.
It’s never been touched again, but you never know, so I’m going to hold on to the darn thing.
Frank
Well and it’s absurd because the one time use tools only have that value the ones.
I’d be surprised if Chris hadn’t cut off the head that I shaped to get around that little shaft inside of my axle and just use the steel pipe for something else.
Andy
Yeah.
Chris
No, because I have lots of other pipes that I use for extension bars.
Frank
That’s fair.
Andy
Yeah.
Frank
And that kind of steel pipe.
I mean, it’s really good steel pipe.
It’s not like a defensing pole or anything like that, it’s a quarter inch thick gas pipe.
Andy
Good stuff.
Chris
Yeah.
Frank
I guess if you don’t need the end off, there’s value in leaving it on just in case it ends up being valuable, right?
Andy
Yeah.
Chris
Yeah.
I just more or less, I just kind of stuck it in the corner with other miscellaneous pieces of pipe and it’s just been hanging out.
I forgot to leave it.
I forgot it’s even there until I’m going to get another piece of pipe for some reason or the other.
This is too nice for the purpose.
This is too small for half of my wrenches.
Chris
Yeah.
Like, you know, I think last time I had a look at it, I was grabbing a piece of copper pipe to do a little repair in the bathroom.
But yeah.
Andy
Good deal.
Frank
All that other fun stuff.
Andy
Yeah.
That’s good to have it on hand just in case you ever need it.
Chris
Yep.
Frank
Unless you have nowhere to store it like me.
So yeah.
I store enough stuff I don’t use.
I didn’t need the pipe, like I said.
Chris
The benefits of having a nice big garage.
Frank
Yes.
Lots of storage space for everything except for your car.
Chris
Ah, ah, ah, no.
Frank
Well…
In your case, there is a car in there.
It’s just not driven, right?
Chris
Okay.
I wasn’t getting that.
I actually got some, you know, my old car that I just fixed up from the accident and my father-in-law wants.
I actually, because it started snowing these last couple of weeks, I actually made space to put it in the garage and work on it.
And I did.
Frank
Oh.
Chris
Oh, shock and awe.
Frank
Well, Chris, did you do any projects this week with your printer?
Chris
With my printer?
No.
No.
I started trying to print another little dragon thing for the wife and had bed plate adhesion issues and I think it’s the way I loaded the model and started to try to slice it.
I didn’t slice it proper I…
I don’t think.
So really, I’m going to come back around to it.
But yeah, I got some printer stuff loading up in the queue.
Now that the car work is all finished, I’m going to continue on renovations.
I should be painting, hopefully either this weekend or next weekend.
And so right after painting is putting up all of these specially printed plates, cover plates.
Chris
Oh, like the light switches and stuff?
Chris
Yeah.
Electrical covers, light switch covers.
Andy
Oh that’s fun.
Chris
So yeah, go on there.
And again, this generator that I’ve got for that I got off a thingy versus just incredibly awesome.
Andy
What generator is that?
Chris
Oh, it’s on my other computer I’d have to…
The plate cover generator.
Andy
Oh, that.
That.
Okay.
Chris
Yeah, the plate cover generator
Frank
Multiple switches or plugs or whatever.
Chris
And types.
Yeah.
So really nice.
Yeah.
And so there’s that that I’ve got lining up and then.
So remember the other week I printed that little thing for sewing measuring tapes?
Andy
Yeah.
A little case for the measuring tape.
Chris
The wife threw two more of them at me last night and says, Hey, honey
Frank
Want to add these to the do list.
Chris
And I was like, uh, I thought you only had the one that you kept on the sewing machine and she goes, Oh, no, no, no, I was cleaning up my office and every time I lose one, it’s just more efficient for me to go down to the store and buy one.
So apparently the sewing, the, the, the, the sewing tapes is equivalent to our 10 millimeter sockets.
Frank
Yes.
You lose it and there’s no sense in tearing the garage or the shop apart looking for it.
So you just go buy a new one.
Yeah
And sometimes you end up with a dozen of them and the next day they’re all gone again.
So…
Andy
Yeah.
Yeah.
You can’t keep them straight.
Chris
Yeah.
Well, I don’t know about you…
Frank
Mine has been through hell.
My tape has been through hell for 20 years.
And every time I think it’s lost, I end up finding it before I go buy a new.
Andy
Well, that’s good.
If you had it for that long too, it starts to get some sentimental value as well.
So…
Frank
Sediment.
Yes.
Andy
Sediment?
Chris
Sedimentary tools.
Yes.
Better than rocks.
Andy
Yeah.
I was just thinking that.
Like, did I say the word wrong?
Is this sentimental?
Right?
Frank
No, it’s…
Andy
It’s not dirt.
Frank
Sentimental.
Andy
Like, like, like, like you put it in a package, sent it
Frank
It’s okay.
We’re all from Utah.
We’ll forgive you.
Andy
Gotcha.
Okay.
Chris
I was like.
Andy
Sentimental.
Chris
It’s a, it’s a sedimental tool.
So like, you know, we, we, we, we make tools from rocks.
So you just use those kind of rocks.
Frank
Well, I mean, there’s the, the, the liquid dinosaur and tree stuff, which is kind of a rock.
It’s an element, right?
So…
Andy
Yeah.
So what’s that stuff called?
I know what you’re talking about.
The word’s not there.
Chris
Tar?
Andy
Pete!
Pete.
Is it Pete?
Frank
Pete?
There’s… as I understand it, everybody thinks that there’s different things that create oil.
Andy
Yeah.
Frank
What I was getting at is the petroleum based measuring tape.
Andy
Gotcha.
Frank
I think it’s mostly petroleum.
It feels like plastic anyway.
Chris
Yeah.
It’s plastic.
To be fair, there is a misconception that dinosaur bodies themselves are what became oil.
And that’s not true.
It’s actually from a, a huge algal bloom or a…
Andy
I remember reading about the…
Frank
Dead trees.
Andy
Yeah.
And coal is from all them dead trees in the carboniferous.
Yeah.
Andy
Yeah.
Chris
Anyway.
Andy
That was, that was before there was stuff that could break down cellulite for the coal, right?
Chris
Right.
So even though fungi were one of the first kingdoms developed just like plants and animals, fungi had not figured out how to break down cellulose yet.
So yeah.
Andy
Cellulose.
Cellulite.
Cellulite’s in the butt.
Chris
Cellulite?
Cellulose?
I don’t know.
Cellulose something.
Cellulose a car.
Frank
I’d rather you didn’t try to sell me anything.
Chris
Come on.
Frank
I don’t have disposable income right now.
Chris
Oh, you’re not going to jump ship on my, my next MLM scheme.
Frank
I know this is Utah, but no.
Chris
Okay.
Anyway.
Frank
At some point we need to do like a skit where it’s like, this is Utah.
And instead of kicking somebody into the pit, we do like throw them into a giant vat of Jello or something.
Andy
There you go.
Yeah.
We got some weird stuff.
Chris
Well, I was having a conversation, the, the, the Jell-O conversation with the life the other day and I was like, and it’s actually not really carrot, but you know, like sometimes you’ll see the carrots in the green Jell-O and stuff, but usually it’s, it’s stuff like pineapple and grapes and yeah.
Frank
And I don’t mind fruit.
It’s the vegetables that people, well, and I think it’s a generational thing too.
Yeah.
Because you don’t, the people that are making the Jell-O now are like, no, I hated that crap.
I’m not going to put carrots in the Jell-O.
Chris
Yeah.
Andy
Yeah.
Chris
So I think the, I think the carrots are kind of phased out, but yeah, like the, the canned fruit and stuff like that, you’ll see that in Jell-O still.
Andy
Yeah.
Frank
I don’t think there’s anything really wrong with it.
Like I said, I like the fruit in there to add texture to the Jell-O, even if it is just like pears or peaches or whatever.
Chris
Yeah.
Andy
True, true.
Chris
Anyway, enough banter.
Did you, did you print anything, Andy?
Andy
Did I print anything?
Yes.
Yes, I did.
So I discovered, so I, I don’t have a, I don’t have a lot.
I printed one thing, I think.
Frank
He says, and then he runs on for 20 minutes, I bet you.
Andy
Okay.
So my son wanted a 20-sided die.
He’s making himself a game and he could not figure out how to make that object himself.
And so I told him, yeah, we can make that.
Now I’ve heard of people talking about the difficulty of making that shape in CAD, how it’s not an easy shape to do.
And I don’t know the proper way to do it, but I’m good enough with solid works.
I could take what’s in my head and put it into the computer.
I might take the long way around it and not do it the easy way and stuff.
And I should still be able to get there.
Chris
Can I give you a suggestion?
Andy
Yeah, sure.
Chris
Start with the sphere and then…
Andy
You know what?
It’s funny you say that because when it comes to programming too, like the way it exists in your mind, or at least for me, is not always going to be the most efficient way.
But when you got a lot up there, you don’t want to always translate to the efficient way of doing it.
Sometimes it’s good to just take it out, put it in the computer and then fix it from there.
And with this die that he wanted me to make, I got thinking like, how would I even do that?
I mean, I know I got to make a bunch of different planes for every face of the die.
And that could be a little hard.
And so I thought about it the way you would in woodworking.
I just revolved a circle, made a sphere, and started cutting flat surfaces into it.
Chris
Okay.
But what you want to do is you want to make planes.
So what you do is you calculate where the equidistant points to make all those, the edges of all those planes would be.
And then you cut those.
Andy
So what I wound up doing is you just start with your top plane to make the first number.
And then, you know, and then it would cut that out of the sphere.
And then I could just do an offset cut to cut the other side off the sphere too.
So that worked good.
And then just made another sketch perpendicular to that plane to form the angle of the next side and then created a plane based off of that.
And then cut that and then cut it, you know, an offset cut on that.
So I was able to make the whole thing only having to make half of, you know, 10 separate planes, but it was like 20 something sketches because each plane had to have its own sketch for it to get the correct angle that the plane was supposed to set at and stuff.
And it just, for something that was going to be simple, it really kind of blew my mind how complicated that shape was.
And I’m sure there’s an easier way to do it.
But just looking over like how you’d even come up with that shape, it took a little bit of a little bit of doing.
Yeah, Frank showing the.
Chris
Yeah, Frank.
Frank
So, so I mean, I’m I’m not as much of a gamer as Kevin, and I’m sure that he’s going to kick himself for not being here to describe this better than me, but I’ll I’ll try to muddle my way through it.
The normal d 20 has got 20 triangles.
Mm hmm.
And the top and bottom have got five triangles, and then the rest or the other 10 go around the perimeter, alternating pointing up and pointing down.
Mm hmm.
Yeah.
And they’re the triangles in an ideal d 20 will have all the same area for each triangle.
And I’m for number two, you can probably find hundreds of different designs on online for people that have already done it.
Andy
Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
Frank
If it was a time issue, you could right?
The main reason I haven’t played with printing a d 20 or any dice is because the process of printing it is going to leave it unbalanced.
Andy
Oh, yeah.
Chris
Yeah.
Chris
And so, um, well, that’s not entirely true.
I saw you print d fours already, except for those were using them.
Frank
Yeah, those weren’t d fours.
Those were paint risers.
They’re the same shape.
But the paint riser doesn’t matter which side is down.
And with a with an unbalanced dye, you’re always going to end up with some numbers that roll more often than others.
Chris
You’re saying you’re saying we can use our printers to make weighted dice.
Frank
Yes.
For better or worse.
Yes.
Andy
Yeah know, it’s funny you say that one of the best things I one of the nice things.
Things that I have obtained for 3d printing is lead shot.
So you can wait stuff down.
And I highly recommend having a little bit of lead shot that you could put into a 3d print if you happen to need it to be more heavy.
Frank
Oh!
For like a base when you have like the thing that comes to mind for me is like, um, character statues.
Andy
Yeah.
Chris
When you when you want to make the base that heavy.
Frank
Yeah.
Chris
Like I said, I used it for printing a couple of lures to make them to make the because the plastic will float otherwise.
Andy
Yeah.
Yeah.
Chris
Yeah.
Andy
And it makes it feel like it’s got a lot more quality to the print as well.
If it’s got more weight to it, just kind of cool.
Back to Frank’s printing being solid, it does have a nice feel when it’s a little heavier.
Frank
Yeah.
And, you know, when, like even if you were to plant paint any of, wow, paint, print any of the dice solid, the pattern of printing it solid is going to give it an inherent weight ratio in a certain orientation.
And, um, for visual purposes, if you’re, you know, creating some dice for your, your rear of your mirrors so that you can broadcast that you like gaming or something like that is fine.
If you’re actually planning on playing with it, um, it’s better to buy, I mean, almost any gaming dice that you can buy from, you know, whatever Japanese retailer is going to be better than the printed die off of your printer.
Chris
All right.
Well, Andy, actually, if you need any die, Andy, um, just go down to Andrew’s shop.
He has like drawers of drawers and drawers of miscellaneous dice of all kinds that you can just, you can, you can buy dirt cheap.
And I see Andy, I’m going to do it for you, Andy, who wanted to design it and he wants to have the fun of designing with his son, which is fair.
Andy
Yeah.
Frank
And it’s fun.
I, you know, practical excuse or practical reasoning does not apply to the situation, but that’s why I didn’t go so far as…
Andy
And for a little game, I mean, it’d be nice if Kevin was here to hear his opinion because I agree they’re going to be weighted to some degree, but the amount that it would actually favor you, I don’t think would really affect too much of what you’d be doing with it.
But again, I’m not an active gamer.
However, you’re talking about die.
I’m not as big as Kevin, but I was in the D&D group in high school, all through high school.
Chris
And we’re also talking about FDM printers.
I imagine an SLA printer would give you a much better way to die.
Andy
Yeah, probably.
I think it would.
Frank
And I guess if you crank up the resolution for your FDM printer to like, I don’t know, 0.5 millimeters per, no, 0.05 millimeters per layer, you would increase the quality.
And I guess technically we can go as realistically as high as 0.02.
Andy
Yeah.
Yeah, but I think you’d still have the weighted issue.
I mean, if you imagine just a six-sided die, the walls are going to be a different weight than the top or bottom by far.
If you’re etching in the numbers to it in any way, that’s going to be a little different to you.
Frank
The core is going to be weighted different oriented in a certain way.
Yeah.
Andy
Yeah.
Frank
And all of that just goes back to why I hesitate.
Chris
Anyway, yeah, and what I was getting at is to do this proper with an FDM printer, what you’ll do is you’ll just use it to print a cast and then you cast it, you know.
Frank
Yeah.
Chris
And just do it and just do it with resin, you know.
Frank
Yeah.
Chris
Resin die are so cool.
Frank
And you can do all kinds of fun stuff with the resin die.
Like drop some kind of weighted object into it.
I think of the designer bowling balls that you see occasionally where, what is that movie?
The guy has a rose inside of a clear bowling ball.
And I’m assuming that the weight from that rose is like lead or something so that it’s weighted the way you want your bowling ball to be weighted.
But that looks cool as hell.
Chris
Yeah.
So yeah.
So if you’re going to use your FDM printer to make dice, you know, just probably you make it cast.
Yeah.
Andy
You should know that it’s just not going to be an absolute pair of die.
That’s all it really is.
And my sense game, it’s more than fine for what it was, you know, but and even for like tabletop games and things.
I mean, unless you’re like competing or something like that, it’s probably the only time you’d really care about it.
I think the amount of air inside of an unfair die that’s, you know, FDM printed, it’s probably not going to favor it that to a degree that would help you really win in any way or what not.
That’s basically playing a tabletop game.
It isn’t about winning anyway.
It’s all about the story anyway.
Chris
Yeah.
Unless you weight it on the number 20.
Andy
Yeah.
Frank
Or one, depending on depending on what you’re looking for.
Andy
Yeah.
Chris
You’re like, oh, I don’t want this to happen.
Let me grab my other die here.
Frank
This one has a lower probability of giving me a one or 20.
Chris
Yeah.
Uh, it’s funny.
Kevin’s missing the conversation about dying.
Frank
Yeah.
That’s not so funny, Chris.
You’ve got a weird sense of humor.
Andy
Figuring he’s the one biggest in the games.
It is an odd topic.
Frank
Yeah.
There’s that.
Die making.
Andy
But I printed the die and that was a fun build.
I never did find a good way to do it.
So I’m not going to win again, but, you know, being able to make another one, I’ll probably still have to do the same long route around it.
But it was, it was still a good little project.
And the kids, I’ve got, I printed most of my curtain rods.
I got rid of all the mini blinds in my house a few years back and put up curtain rods instead.
I like curtains instead of mini blinds.
I hate mini blinds.
I hate blinds.
Want curtains?
Frank
That can be problematic
Andy
Yeah.
I like blackout curtains.
And not the ones you buy at the store.
I like just making blackout curtains.
So I got a bunch of the plastic that I put on the roof.
So when I redid my roof, I chose a weekend that we had a possibility of rain and it did wind up raining.
And so I bought some plastic to put on top of the roof through the storm so that it wouldn’t soak the wood.
And I had the shingles off.
Chris
And that sucked
Andy
Yeah.
Frank
There was a four inch void along the top of the roof.
Was it four inch?
I remember it being open though.
Anyway.
Andy
Yeah.
So none of the roof was actually like open.
It was all just wood because so I’ve only had three eighths inch sheet up there to start with.
And so I put three quarters inch on top of that so I could come close to the one inch.
And so it had good wood.
I’ve got a good roof.
But I did have, I had three sets of shingles up there.
So I did have to scrape them all off.
And it was while, I think it was while I was putting on the new layer of shingles that the rainstorm came in.
And so went down to the, you know, Lowe’s bought some plastic and plasticed the roof.
But one neat thing is after we got all done, I mean, that we rolled it out on the roof.
It rained and then we rolled it all back up.
It’s still a great roll of thick plastic.
So one thing I discovered is light doesn’t pass through that plastic, which is really kind of nice.
So I wound up making a bunch of blackout curtains out of it by just sewing a piece of the plastic inside of the curtain itself.
And they’re great.
They are
Chris
That’s brilliant
Andy
Blackout curtains.
But the curtain rods themselves, I like using, when I got married, we were trying to do everything cheap.
And so we used a church to, as our wedding grounds, and we were going to get married outside on the grounds themselves.
But to kind of decorate it a little bit, I wound up buying a bunch of half inch conduit and cutting it so that we can put it around the outside of where everybody was going to be sitting and use, what’s it called, the colored paper stringer stuff.
There’s a name for that.
Anyway, we went from pole to pole to pole.
Chris
Mache
Andy
Yeah, paper mache or not mache.
Frank
No.
Andy
Anyway, that stuff.
Chris
Streamers Yes.
Andy
Yeah.
And, you know, we taped it from pole to pole to pole all the way around, making this really big arc.
And then we cut the poles down near the front.
So they were shorter at the front and got big in the back.
And it just created this big kind of arc.
Kind of to say, this is the area that, you know, where the wedding is taking place.
This is the back of the room, even though it was in the yard of the church.
Worked out really well.
But in the conduit was cheap.
Half inch conduit was like $1.50 at the time for 10 feet of it.
So it was really good.
But after we were all done, I wound up keeping it.
And now I’ve got a lot of that conduit that was only stuck in the ground and had stuff taped to it for that one day.
Frank
Speaking of left over pipe.
Anyway.
Chris
Yeah.
Yeah.
I was like, I think I kind of, I think I did something similar.
I took a small section of about maybe a foot long of the half inch pipe and I used it on my quarter inch ratchet for, you know, those hard to reach places where you have to have a quarter inch ratchet.
Yeah.
Anyway.
Andy
Nice.
Yeah.
So, so I’ve got a bunch of this galvanized pipe and I use it on a bunch of stuff.
And talking about that, I’m on my last piece.
I got a Christmas tree that I built outside our outside Christmas tree that is a 10 foot that uses one of those 10 foot half inch poles.
And it’s a star.
And I’ve got, what is it, 800 lights streamers that come off of it that we stake in the ground and kind of forms a Christmas tree.
And I’m on my last pole that was in my shop.
I went to go pull out a pole for it and it was my last one.
So I’m down to the last one, but I wound up using those as curtain rods, painting them black and putting some end caps on them.
And then I 3D printed the bracket that holds them to the wall.
Oh, those are the ones.
Chris
With just like a rattle can.
Andy
Yes.
Chris
Oh, okay.
Nice.
Andy
Yeah.
Worked out really good.
And the curtains, I’m not, whenever I made my curtains, I always just used a loop of material for the curtain itself instead of using rings.
So it’s not getting scratched up or anything.
It’s been working out great.
And the kids dangle from the curtains all the time.
And it’s, it’s everything’s been holding up.
So
Chris
Wow.
Andy
Yeah.
Up until in the bathroom, we wound up having a curtain or not a curtain rod, a rod for towels.
And since the kids like hanging off of stuff, that kept on getting ripped off the wall.
And we had a conversation about this of why the heck do they not make those rods a.
Chris
The same with as house studs.
Yes.
Andy
Yes.
Yes.
A uh.
Divided into something.
Yeah.
Multiple of 16.
Yeah.
Because you always got one side on the stud and the other side is just in drywall.
And you can use anchors, dry drywall anchors and stuff, but it’s.
Frank
It doesn’t help when more than five pounds is on it.
Andy
Yeah.
Chris
I got lucky.
So my bat, well, sort of only in this respect, when I was remodeling my bathroom, I left a lot of this, a lot of the, they had like the quarter inch sheeting along the along the walls from when this was converted from military housing.
So, so I left that all up in my bathroom so that when I hung my rod up, it’s still one end of it ended up in the stud.
And the other end of it still ended up it’s going through that quarter inch wood.
So.
Andy
Okay.
Chris
So mine’s still a little, a little more sturdy.
Andy
Yeah.
That’s good.
So anyway, with mine, the kids ripped it out of the wall a couple of times and the wall was looking pretty bad.
So I decided to do the same thing I did with the curtain rods, except I made the hangers themselves a lot larger so that towels can get in behind the rod itself.
And so I made those beef them up pretty good.
And so now I’ve got a, what is it like six foot long towel rack, but we cut it down to be like the perfect size for the wall.
So we only got one rack, but it can hold all of the towels for the whole family and kids can dangle from it.
We’re all good.
Chris
And you got it in the studs.
Andy
Yes.
They’re definitely in the studs.
Frank
The stud got the towel rack in the stud.
That’s…
Andy
But the other day, the wife came to me and said that we had finally broken those hangers and I went and looked at it and it looked like she went Hulk smash right on top of the rod and just busted the ends off of the PETG hangers that I made.
Frank
She was testing it herself?
Andy
Actually, I’m blaming her and telling her that she shouldn’t be hulking stuff like that, but it was probably the kids broke it and then just set it back to there really nice and pretty.
Chris
You know what?
Andy
No one would notice and then she went to go use it once and just fell off.
So.
Frank
Yeah.
Chris
Yeah.
You know what?
Frank
I accept either is the truth because I can see her wondering how much it could actually hold and testing it herself too.
Chris
I was thinking it might, it might be fun.
Frank
Almost as much as I can imagine you doing that, Andy.
I can imagine you testing something like that.
So let’s be fair to your wife and say everybody in your house would arbitrarily test that curtain rod if they decided to.
Andy
Gotta make sure the kids aren’t going to get hurt.
So might as well climb up on them myself.
Chris
You know, the last time I did that, the wife goes, stop, you’re going to break it.
And I’m like, no, I’m breaking it on purpose now so I can make sure that the kids don’t.
Andy
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Frank
Welcome to the job of being dad.
Andy
Yeah.
Frank
Risk your own self to make sure the youngsters don’t get too damaged when they do.
Andy
Yeah.
No kidding.
I mean, it’s just like when I built this slide out in the backyard, I was the first one to climb up on that when I got up on it.
I’m shaking it and pulling everything really hard and rocking it back and forth on two legs and…
Frank
Got a stress test.
Andy
You just built that.
Are you going to break it?
You know, why are you trying to break it?
And it’s like, well, if it breaks on me, we’re okay.
But…
Frank
If it happens on purpose, I can control how I fall.
If it happens accidentally and they don’t know what they’re doing, they’re going to get hurt.
Well, no, I’m going to get hurt, but not as bad as they will.
Andy
Yes.
Much rather have me get hurt than them.
Frank
Probably not as bad as they would.
Chris
Did I build this good?
Yes.
No.
Woo!
Andy
And so the listeners know I’m also a larger, about 220 pound guy.
So the things get tested pretty good when I jump on them.
So, but yeah.
So another thing I got to print was new hangers.
And since they lasted so well and did so good, I just printed them out of PETG again.
I just made the walls a little bit thicker on them.
And I’ll wait till they break again.
I’m sure whatever kid they actually broke on, they’re probably holding onto towels, climbing up the wall with their feet, broke and they fell.
And now they’re worried about breaking it again.
So it probably won’t happen again.
Probably.
Chris
I was like, if you’re really, really worried about that, we should get some casting going and cast them out of aluminum.
Andy
Well, if I was really worried, I just…
Frank
And you did mispronounce the word should.
Andy
Yes.
And if I really wanted to, I could print them out of TPU and they would just be indestructible.
But, you know, the PETG has a nice little, when you put the rod in, it’s got this nice little snap when you push them into the, when you push the rod into the hangers.
And I really like that.
It feels like it’s made well.
Frank
If you make it too tough, then it won’t let the rod in, right?
Andy
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Chris
Speaking of actually…
Andy
A little bit.
Chris
That’s one of my projects coming up for the next year is, there are a couple of different versions of dragon curtain rod holders.
Andy
Okay.
Chris
So I’m going to be putting those up in our entertainment rooms.
Andy
Okay.
That’ll be kind of cool.
Chris
Yeah.
Frank
Well, your wife absolutely loves her dragons, right?
Chris
Yep.
Frank
You don’t like your dragons too, but maybe not as much as her.
Chris
Not as much as her.
Andy
Yeah.
I thought I was obsessed with foxes until I met Holly’s obsession with dragons and had to take a step down with the obsessive one in the group.
But, uh…
Chris
Yep.
Andy
But, well, yeah.
She’s very particular to Western dragons was more specifically.
Andy
Oh, really?
Chris
Yeah.
Western dragons and wyverns.
Frank
Okay.
Cool.
Yeah.
So the European strain instead of the…
Chris
Asian strain.
Frank
Asian strain.
Chris
Yeah.
Andy
Gotcha.
Frank
What about the American strain though?
The American dragons are…
Chris
She thinks those are right out weird.
Andy
Oh, really?
Yeah.
Frank
They are…
That’s why we love them.
They’re just like us.
Andy
I’m like…
I wanted to print some coetzal stuff because that was pretty dang cool.
But…
Yeah.
Chris
That’s funny.
So those were the two projects that I did.
I got a couple of things on the docket that I tried to sit down and do and I just…
I think I thought about it too much and the excitement is over and now I don’t want to spend the time to figure it out kind of stuff.
Like, I wanted to…
My kid broke all of my chairs upstairs because he would lean on them and then the chair would fall and it broke the back of the chair.
And we wound up buying a whole new table set because every single chair had this broken back.
And he’s leaning in these chairs too.
These chairs are made a little bit different.
They probably won’t break, but I’m worried about them breaking.
And, you know, it’s an ADD thing.
Yelling at the kid is not really going to help them to stop.
It’s something he’s doing unconsciously or whatever.
So I thought, I’ll make an alarm.
I can attach the leg of the chair.
Frank
When it’s anything but level, it beeps?
Andy
Yeah, it’ll beep at you.
And the part that caught me excited about it is like, well, I don’t want to go and change batteries in it all the time.
And my microcontrollers, they always take a lot of batteries in order to run.
And then I got thinking about it.
Like, oh, there’s a lot of like tilt sensors and stuff that are used in like the old pinball machines and things like that.
And they make ones that look like an electrolyte capacitor.
And so I bought some of those because they’re dirt cheap.
I think I paid like 4��4or5 for a package of 10.
And I was playing with them and just a little bit of movement and it would set it off and a little bit back.
And the sensor itself would handle like 300 milliamps, which is a decent amount.
And I got thinking like, I don’t even have to use a microcontroller for this.
I could just have this run on an alarm.
And then like have it be triggered off of the battery.
So it’ll be like those water sensors that I keep on preaching everywhere that I like so much, where the sensor is the power switch.
So the length of life it has is how old the batteries can get, you know?
And so I got thinking like, I could do something like that.
I could just use like three button batteries or something small like that because the only time it will be on is when it’s beeping.
And so I got looking into, OK, well, what’s the easiest way to make a Pezzo beep?
I give you a beep, beep, beep.
So it’s not just this high-pitched thing.
When one of those water sensors that I really like, one of the bad things about them is because the way they’re made, they just squeel.
They don’t beep at you.
So I got one here.
You can kind of hear it.
It’s just a high-pitched beep.
It doesn’t beep at you.
It’s just high-pitched buzz.
And I don’t like that about these.
I wish they would beep.
That way it breaks it up a little bit more.
So I got looking like, how can I make a really simple beeper that isn’t using a microcontroller?
And so I found a couple of circuits.
And so I sat down when I got home yesterday to do them.
And it’s just like all that interest was just gone.
I had bought a couple of components to do this project with.
Not that they were expensive, but still, I’ve been thinking about it so much, how I would want to do it and whatnot, that it just kind of isn’t something I want to do anymore.
Chris
Oh, you were talking about this.
And I’m going, this is actually the perfect prank.
So
Andy
Let’s hear the prank.
Chris
Get one of those sensors you’ve talked about.
And you can actually just wire it straight into one of those annoying Hallmark cards.
Andy
There you go.
I mean, you pick it up, it sets it off.
Chris
And actually, if you’re not, and this actually might be your solution is you can find one of those cheap Hallmark cards that makes a sound that you do want to hear.
And just quick solder it into that and tape it to the bottom of the chair.
Andy
Yeah, I could.
You’re not wrong.
I definitely could do that.
But it was about building that skill.
It was about building that skill.
It was about figuring out how to make a beeper without, you know, just using components instead of a microcontroller.
That was the real part of this thing that I wanted to do was to learn that because, I mean, it would help from the chairs being leaned up against and stuff like that.
But there’s also the whole thing where I don’t want to do that too much to the kids.
There’s one thing I did when they were little.
So in my household, me and the wife actually, our room is downstairs and we use both of the upstairs rooms for the youngest kids that way, you know, because they’re going to play in the living room a lot, but they’ll have access to their toys and stuff instead of it being downstairs where they would have to go all the way downstairs to get to their rooms.
So we decided our room being downstairs is the better, better way to do it with the kids upstairs.
Chris
Avoid stepping on Legos on the stairs.
Frank
And your room has always been downstairs.
So I can see there being a, don’t take this the wrong way, but a lazy aspect to it if you don’t want to change your room.
Andy
This is also true, but I wouldn’t call it lazy.
It’s that I built a deck in that room for our bed.
Our bed is built into that room.
So it’s kind of special.
And I love our, my little tower in my sky in the basement here, looking down on all the peasants getting dressed ready for bed.
Chris
Well, to be fair, I think it’s also the coziest room in the house.
So Andy, Andy is set.
It’s also the smallest room in the house.
So which kind of makes me feel better that I’m not taking anything from the kids because they complain about the room size.
Well, me and your mother got the smallest one and I have to share it with somebody on top of that.
So…
Frank
Have to.
Andy
Have to.
But this led to a problem is the kids, when they started to get old enough to be able to get past the child lock on the door, which is about the time when you shouldn’t have the child lock on the door anymore, that they would get up in the middle of the night and get into the fridge and stuff like that.
And so one of the late night options I wound up starting to use was I got a motion detector alarm.
I don’t remember why I bought it, but I’ve got one.
It’s just a separate, that’s got the speaker unit and it’s got the sensor unit.
And if it senses motion, the alarm goes off.
That’s all it is.
And I would just set them both upstairs and I put it on doorbell mode.
So every time it catches motion in the hallway there, it would go off.
And if they’re off, this solves the problem.
Every time they get out of their room, it dings.
They think they’re in trouble.
They go back into their room in the middle of the night.
And they’re like, that’s great.
But I got thinking about it.
Like doing a lot of little things like that probably wouldn’t be good for their brains.
Always having some kind of alarm or something like that, keeping them in line.
And that’s kind of my solution to everything.
So I’m trying to make sure I don’t do that too much.
So this little chair alarm is kind of one of those things where I’m trying to train them not to tip back in the chair.
But what’s that do into the poor kid’s brain when he feels like policed all the time?
The kid should be able to…
Chris
Pavloving your kids to any subtle beeps.
Frank
There’s a mixture to it.
Living with this condition is an adult.
There’s a mixture to it.
Perfect example.
I used to have an alarm on my phone that would remind me to drink water every 30 minutes.
Not a big deal, right?
You’re supposed to drink a lot of water.
It’s sip regularly through the day.
It’s actually better for you than taking larger gulps less regularly, right?
Andy
Yeah.
Frank
It got to the point after like a month that I started.
What started was I would hit the thing on the alarm and go on with what I was doing cognitively and forget to actually drink.
And then it got to the point where the alarm was annoying because I didn’t want to stop to turn it off if I wasn’t going to drink water.
Andy
Okay.
Frank
And so I tried changing the tempo of it and all kinds of other stuff.
And I eventually just removed it from my phone because it wasn’t being effective anymore.
Andy
Yeah.
Frank
Not because I didn’t want it or need it, but because it wasn’t doing the job I needed it to.
Andy
Yeah.
Frank
Applying that to your kid, I can see it being effective for a period of time and then him not caring anymore.
You know?
Chris
But if you’re worried about, yeah, if you’re worried about breaking
Frank
There’s a mixture of appreciated part where you don’t think about it until there’s a reminder to this is annoying and I don’t care.
Andy
There is that.
I think I’m more worried about the policing aspect of it.
I’m feeling like he can’t even make the decision on his own not to lean in the chair that, oh, if he leans in the chair, dad hears the alarm, he’s going to get in trouble or something like that.
You know?
That’s not good.
Frank
The unfortunate reality of it is, though, is he can’t police that on his own.
So he needs the little bit of an indicator, but at some point he still needs to be free to make the decision himself rather than having dad or mom or the alarm tell him that he needs to make that decision or consider a different decision.
Chris
If you’re trying to save your chairs, though, maybe just use the Homer Simpson solution.
Andy
What’s that?
The alarm to the floor?
Chris
No, no, no.
It’s got the little extra legs that swivel out using gravity.
Andy
Oh, okay.
I think I’ve seen something like that.
Yeah.
Well, you know, I don’t think these chairs will really break and I think most of this was about the project idea than it was to actually solve a problem.
But I don’t want to be solving problems like that if it’s just for the project, if it can have that kind of policing effect on the kids, which I don’t want that to happen either.
So I don’t know if I’m going to run through this project.
And if I do, I’m only going to put it on there for a little while to see if it helps with the problem or whatnot.
But we’ll see what happens.
I got bored of it already when I tried to sit down.
So it’s probably not going to happen.
But…
Frank
Unlike the three month project of designing the circuit board for your fish tank.
Andy
Yeah, that was a long project.
I mean, I’m glad I did it.
I learned a lot in the way, but that turned into a chore at the very end.
But now I look at that project and it’s kind of awesome.
It’s just neat to work.
It was exactly what I wanted and everything.
Chris
Yeah.
Getting that last push through was definitely, definitely worth worth doing even though it was kind of, oh, God.
Andy
Yeah.
Frank
There is another aspect to it where everybody has a cognitive what’s the word for it?
No, I always refer to it as bandwidth.
Andy
Okay.
Chris
Yeah.
Frank
Personal bandwidth, mental bandwidth, but it’s cognitive ability.
Chris
Cognitive spoon ball.
Frank
And when you work on something like you did for three months, you can have the other ideas.
Your brain so generates those ideas.
But when it comes down to doing them, your brain goes, I just spent three months on this other project.
Do I want to get into another intensive project like that right now?
Andy
Yeah.
Chris
Well, it’s still spoons.
It’s still spoon theory.
It’s just for your cognitive usage.
Yeah.
Frank
Oh, you said spoons.
Yes.
I actually just learned about spoon theory.
Kind of.
I need to go back and revisit it for sure.
Chris
I’ve never heard of spoon theory.
What is spoon theory?
Frank
You’re going to make me look it up aren’t yeah.
Chris
Okay.
I’m going to do a quick synopsis while Frank’s looking it up.
So basically how it is is you’ve got a little cup full of spoons, right?
Andy
Okay.
Chris
Different people have different amounts of spoons.
And so every time you do something every day, even as little as brushing your teeth, it takes a spoon out of your cup.
You’ve used a spoon to do that.
So not everybody has the same amount of spoons.
Your wife is a great example of this.
Some days she only gets three spoons.
Some days she gets 15, where a lot of normal people have about the same amount of spoons in their cup every day.
Andy
I’m recognizing this from my wife’s fight with CFS.
Frank
Right.
It’s actually the analogy I just found online.
It mentions chronic fatigue.
Andy
Yeah.
Chris
So that’s where it’s mostly applied to.
But people with ADHD or people with overwhelming tasks, anxiety, the same thing applies is people with anxiety end up using more spoons instead to do one task because it’s so exhausting for them to do just the one task instead of not having enough spoons.
Oh, this task was suddenly thrown on me.
I have to use four or five spoons for it.
Andy
Okay.
Yeah.
Chris
Yeah.
So it’s a good way to describe a lot of cognitive issues in dealing with the world.
So I had to explain this to my wife a little bit because she’ll throw a bunch of stuff on me and I’ll be like, honey, I am stressed out with all of this.
And you guys know I’ve been dealing with anxiety for a while.
And the drugs help.
Andy
Yeah.
Chris
But there’s just sometimes where I have anxiety all day and it’s really bad.
And so the stuff I can accomplish is not the same as a day where I’m feeling okay.
And so it’s like, I’ll go and do something.
But because of my anxiety, I end up spinning my wheels on something that should have been simple.
Andy
Okay.
Chris
And so I try to do the task.
And okay, there’s a couple of spoons.
It’s not working.
It’s not doing the way I want to.
I am having to take extra breaks, more spoons out.
Yeah.
So I have to explain to the wife.
I explained to the wife spoon theory.
And then I was like, hun, I just don’t have spoons.
Frank
So I think that I brushed up against spoon theory because I encountered fork theory.
Now spoon theory revolves around I have this many things in my possession.
And I spend them on these activities, right?
So fork theory, I think is more interesting, at least to me.
Fork theory comes from the saying stick a fork in me.
I’m done.
Andy
Okay.
Frank
Now, it revolves around how many forks can you have stabbed into you before you have a problem?
Andy
Oh, okay.
Frank
So like one fork is an irritation, right?
And depending on how deep it goes, you can pull it out.
You can go on with your day.
Two forks is a little more of an irritation.
It’s a little problematic, depending on where you get stabbed with it.
But you can still, you know, overcome it.
Andy
Yeah.
Frank
Each of these little activities is a fork, right?
The ones that you spend the spoon on is another fork.
Well, if you have a hundred forks in you, you’ve got a problem.
Andy
Yeah.
I like that.
Frank
And so they interact with each other, the spoon theory and the fork theory.
But I like the more graphic, I’m being stabbed by all of these things.
And I can only do so many.
Chris
Well, I think you’re right.
They’re a good way to describe it.
And they’re actually slightly different.
It’s because every time you have a failure or run into an issue or something, yeah, you just got stabbed by a fork.
And, you know, you use spoons on something and it didn’t work and you got hurt.
You got cognitively set back because of it.
Frank
And of course, you get the people that are going, well, if you get stabbed by a spoon, it hurts more.
Chris
Yeah.
But getting getting forked sounds a lot more reasonable.
Frank
That just reminds me of a weird joke I’m not going to get into.
Chris
We’re keeping this family friendly.
Frank
It’s a kind of graphic, amazing joke.
Yeah.
I mean, we were just talking about stabbing forks into yourself every time you make a decision.
So, I mean, it gets there.
Andy
Yeah.
Frank
So, yeah.
Chris
Did you print something?
Frank
I did.
I finally got a good print on the Slinky Dachshund.
Kind of good.
I got it printed and the legs do fold down, but they don’t hold very well.
As in, I scaled it up too far and getting that zeroed in seemed like a losing battle.
Andy
Okay.
Frank
And because they don’t hold, you know, there’s not enough friction to hold them in place.
They can go too far inside or slide out.
Andy
Okay.
Frank
And it’s fun looking, but my wife said, well, can I get an actual statue instead of like a Slinky Dog?
And I was like, okay.
So, I found an actual statue.
I got a good print on that.
Andy
Okay.
Frank
And just this last week on Monday, a shipment came in periodically because, you know, with the beard, I like to do some occasional bobbles in it.
And with the holidays, especially, I’ll put Christmas ornaments in my beard.
Okay.
And I got some new ones and realized I didn’t have a storage container for all of my Christmas stuff together.
And so, I redesigned and I’m printing one of my knurled jars, twist top jars, to put all of the Christmas ornaments in.
Andy
Yeah.
Frank
Christmas beard ornaments, not to be confused with the tree ornaments.
Chris
Frank, the red and green.
Frank
Okay.
So, I hadn’t done a thread with my CAD program for a while.
And I forgot that when you do the, you got to remember, it’s the chamfer that is rounded.
Chris
Fillet.
Frank
Fill it.
Okay.
Yeah.
Fillet on the top edge for the thread so that it kind of seats together.
You do the thread and then you go back in time and put the fillet on that edge and then move the fillet to the other side in the timeline from the thread.
Otherwise.
Andy
I thought about just doing the threads higher than the actual thing is itself, the actual surface.
Frank
Fusion doesn’t have that option with the automatic threads.
When you’re creating your own, you can create the coil as high as you want it to be.
Andy
Okay.
But when it’s an automatic thing, you can choose, no, there is an option.
Frank
I just haven’t used it because I use the automatic, use the full thing instead of trying to measure, go down all the way here and then how far is up above.
So, anyway, the easy solution is you create the fillet or you create the thread and then put a fillet in the timeline ahead of the thread and then once you have that fillet created, you move it to after the threads were created and it does it the way you expect it to.
Andy
Okay.
Because you have the edge, but I don’t think I could do that in mind because it would respect the cutting of the threads where you would miss the line that you filleted.
That line would no longer be there, so I think it would have an error.
But that’s just the way SOLIDWORKS does it.
But if you’re, yeah, I’ve heard you do this before and it works really well doing this stuff.
Frank
Yeah.
I just forgot the first time I designed it, so I ended up printing like five interference, just the threaded parts to try to get them together and they weren’t working.
And that was irritating to me.
And one day I’m in there playing with it and I go, oh, I created the fillet before the thread like I was supposed to.
I just didn’t move it into the timeline where I need it and that’s why this is not working.
Chris
You should make a little like the designing notebook or notepad or something like that so that every time you’re going into design something new, you can just look through your notepad real quick and say, oh, okay, yeah, I’m adding this.
I need to remember points number five, points number 32.
Frank
I ain’t got time for that.
Yeah.
There’s a lot of coulda, shoulda, woulda,s that come with this.
Andy
Yeah.
Chris
Yeah.
Andy
But did it wind up working for you after that?
Frank
Yeah.
I finally got a good interference print and so I am currently printing the jars and then I’m going to reorganize my office and then start printing because there’s a project I’ve been putting off for since I got my printer, I think, where I’ve got my garage set up to hold the wreaths that we’re not using for whatever season.
Andy
Yeah.
Frank
Because my wife has one for every month of the year and sometimes two or three for each month.
Chris
Yes.
We have Halloween wreaths.
They’re pretty cool.
Frank
She also has garlands for every season and sometimes every month, depending.
Just the Easter one egg-shaped?
No, that one is spring, so it’s all flowers and tulips and stuff like that.
Anyway, so I’ve just been storing them.
When I first encountered it, it was described as a Swiss wall hanger system where you’ve got the 45-degree angle that goes up against the wall and then you’ve got the hanger that goes on it and you can slide it anywhere along the rail and all that other fun stuff.
So I created some of that out of wood and hung up all the wreaths, but they’re all hanging on screws.
There are only 10 millimeters out of the board that’s hanging from the bracket.
And I’ve been meaning ever since I got my printer to create better hooks so that I can hang more than one wreath from each hook.
And I haven’t gotten there yet.
So I kind of want to get that done.
Chris
Yarr, make me hook.
Frank
I’m helping some people move today, some stuff, not like their whole household, but the problem with having a reasonably large, even though it’s not the big, RAM, I have a RAM truck and I get voluntold to go help do stuff occasionally with it.
So that’s going to happen today, yeah, just stuff piled up.
Andy
It happens.
So that’s this time of the year, man.
It’s hard to get anything we want to be done.
Frank
We had this conversation.
Why don’t I have all of this stuff to get done during the summer?
Andy
No kidding, right?
Frank
The winter, I don’t want to be outside doing all the stuff in the cold Utah air, but I am.
Chris
And it’s like
Frank
Instead of doing it during the summer
Chris
And that’s not like, I have plenty of time and weekends during the summer to fix cars.
But no, everybody’s car breaks as soon as it gets cold.
Frank
Yeah.
Admittedly, some of that is, what’s it called, cognitive bias?
Chris
Yeah, probably.
Frank
We don’t like working on the car in the fall and the winter, and we do like working on the car in the spring and the summer.
So we don’t remember that the projects didn’t actually change, just the seasons.
Andy
I can see that.
Chris
But, you know, having had made room in my garage was really nice.
I could actually use the heater, and it wasn’t too terrible.
Andy
Nice.
Frank
That is a good deal.
Chris
Yeah.
Frank
I wouldn’t mind if I had an actual garage.
I think we’ve talked about that too.
My wood shop is a little bit more space than, well, it’s a one car garage.
So Andy’s shed could fit inside of it, kind of snugly.
But that’s only an extra, say, foot and a half in each direction of space than you have in your shed.
And I wouldn’t mind having an actual workshop and a garage where I can store my vehicles.
But once again, disposable income is a problem in this condo.
So maybe not get a bigger workspace right now, either.
Andy
Well, hopefully down the road, you’ll be able to expand.
Frank
Yeah.
Well.
You know, it’s on the list.
Chris
Yeah.
Air quote list.
Frank
Air quote on.
Chris
Air quote the…
Frank
Yeah.
That’s everything.
I just dumped my whole brain in the last hour.
So that’s about all I got to.
All right.
Chris
There’s the fork.
Yeah.
The last fork.
So I am going to tell you a quick joke.
I heard it when I was a kid that cannibals caught.
Frank
This is the joke I was not going to tell, by the way.
Chris
Well, never mind.
So you do remember it.
Okay.
Good.
Frank
Yes.
Chris
Okay.
Frank
Now all of our listeners, I want to hear the joke now.
So I can tell it or you can, Chris.
Rochambeau, you for it?
Chris
You tell her.
Frank
Okay.
It worked better as a flash video, I think, than actually trying to tell the joke, by the way.
Chris
I heard it as a joke before flash video was a thing.
Frank
Gotcha.
So anyway, this ship crashed lands on a desert island called the cannibals.
And there’s three survivors.
And the cannibals are fairly modern, fairly appreciative, and they gave everybody an option for what they wanted for their final wish before they died.
And one guy says, well, I’m on a desert island.
I would like a bunch of fresh fruit.
And the chief is like, he’s going to make a good canoe when we’re done with him.
So the guy eats all of his fresh fruit, and then they take him around the corner, you know, he’s done.
The second guy says, you know, I have always wanted to spend time in a harem.
The chief looks at the wives and the tribe, and they’re like final wish sort of thing, whatever.
So they all go into a tent on the other side, and he’s never seen again.
And the third guy, or the chief says again, you know, he’s going to make a good canoe skin for that heide.
And the third guy says, I want fork.
And the chief’s like, what do you want with… whatever final wish gives him a fork and the guy starts stabbing himself all over his body and he says, make a canoe out of me now eh.
Chris
Oh, gosh, he just has make a canoe out of me now eh?
But yeah.
It’s an old joke, too.
Frank
Yeah.
I still feel like it worked better in a flash video, but yeah, we’ll see if I decide to censor myself on that.
Chris
Maybe just cut off the last line and throw in the thing I just said, make a canoe out of me now eh.
Frank
Yeah, we can do that.
And so keep the conversation where we talk about me cutting myself up and putting you in my place.
Andy
There you go.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Afterword
So everybody knows what happened.
Frank
No, this all happens before the outro.
Yeah.
All right.
Chris
Okay.
Well, fire it off, Frank.
Frank
Okay.
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Andy
Always use hairspray.
Chris
I tried to make a gas-powered drill, now it’s a fire drill.
Andy
I like that one.
Frank
That’s what you get for including Andy in the process of creating it.
Chris
Oddly enough, actually, it was our Santa thing.
So our city has a fire truck go around in the mornings, and in one weekend in December, the fire truck will go around with Santa and give candy canes out to kids that could come out to the street, and anyway, so we were woken up early to that today, and I was talking with the wife about, why do they do these fire drills so freaking early?
And she’s like, no, it’s Santa weekend, I used to go, oh yeah, I forgot about that.
Anyway, that’s what spawned this.
Frank
Well, it’s really meant to remind everybody to check the batteries and their smoke detectors as we approach Christmas, because lots of people burn their house down.
Andy
Yeah, true.
If you’re going to make a gas-powered drill, you should have specified internal or external combustion drill.
Frank
External combustion drills are the funnest one.
Chris
Don’t 3D print your own smoke alarms.
Go buy good ones down at your local hardware store.
Frank
Housing is not the important part of the smoke alarm, Chris.
Chris
Wut?
Frank
The housing is not the important part of the smoke alarm.
Andy
I guess if you’re just printing the housing, you might be okay.
They’re already fickle enough, so.
Frank
Maybe fix the soldering points before you install it, so it lasts a little longer.
Chris
Yep, so I’ve had my house for 10 years now.
It’s actually about time for me to blow a whole bunch of money replacing all of them.
Frank
There we go.