Frank

Thank you for joining us.
This is episode 69 of Amateur 3D Podcast, a podcast for amateur printers where we share our thoughts and experience.
Our panelists this week are me, Franklin Christensen, and my friends Chris Weber, Andy Cottam, and Kevin Buckner.

Andy

Howdy ho, how are we doing?

Frank

And that’s what I get for having so many windows open.
I lost my place in the intro.

Kevin

I couldn’t tell

Andy

Yeah, it’s easy enough to do all good. It’s not by it’s not by amateur anymore, so we got to just say it’s just for amateurs

Frank

Gotcha, because Andy’s no longer an amateur.

Chris

Because Andy.

Frank

Thanks for that.

Kevin

And he had to go and ruin things.

Chris

But, but, but really though, you know, um, I was, uh, reading some blogs and came across somebody else that, you know, works in a salon and, you know, she makes more money selling knickknacks and stuff at the salon than she, than she does client, you know, clients.

Andy

Believe it
My wife does a lot of that kind of stuff and they do so a lot there

Andy

So this is turning into a little bit of a profitable thing for her not too much
It’s probably profiting only about maybe $50 a week or so, so it’s not a lot, but it’s something which is kind of fun

Chris

So it’s more than my other half.

Frank

So, two things come to mind.
The first one is a recent episode of the Mike Rose, the way I heard it.

Frank

He tells a story about Danny DeVito, who started in a salon as a cosmetologist and got sent to New York by his sister and got into acting there.
But he was putting bread on the table as a cosmologist, cosmetologist, whatever.

Chris

Yes, that word.

Frank

One of them studies the cosmos and one of them does hair, and I can’t remember which
right now.

Andy

Yeah

Chris

Met means Metro. So it’s, uh, yeah.

Frank

So, yeah, that’s how he put bread on the table when he was young, which is especially

Andy

Yeah

Frank

ironic to me considering he’s been bald as long as I’ve seen him in anything.

Andy

Yeah

Frank

But apparently that also fits with the stigma of the best hairstylists or bald men.

Andy

Yeah

Frank

So at least the most famous ones.

Andy

Yeah

Frank

The second thing is me and Kevin are breaking away from the amateur thing a little bit more

Andy

Yes, that’s good. Yeah

Frank

by having boom mics.
So it’s a little less amateurish than it was three weeks ago.
And they weren’t present at all, well, two weeks ago because Kevin got his and I envied
and I used the word earlier coveted.
I coveted his mic so much that I got my own, so.

Chris

Envy is the best reason for upgrades.

Andy

Yeah, there you go, that’s good

Kevin

And I got some other stuff during the week, I just haven’t set it up yet, like I got an actual audio interface and mixing board and a sound card.

Frank

So we’re going to have to actually do the band thing at some point too.-

Kevin

I mean, that that is what I’m getting a bunch of this stuff for. Yes.

Chris

So you, you, you didn’t successfully upgrade the sapphire or…

Kevin

No, no, I gave I determined a couple years ago that it’s it’s not necessarily a problem with the sapphire itself as far as I can tell, but Cubase is just so old.
And so is the sapphire that it’s it was designed to work with Windows XP, not with Windows 10.

Chris

Yeah.
And that’s the thing is I was read what I was reading was that it’s simply just not compatible with windows 10 and that even with windows seven, you had to, you had to heavily modify some of the, uh, oh, I’m, I can’t remember what that, that is, is called.

Chris

But basically some of the Microsoft integrated, uh, some of the Microsoft integrated, uh, software had to be turned off for it to.

Kevin

The firmware.

Frank

Got to love Microsoft.
They’re still using technology from Windows NT in some things, but when they upgraded

Andy

Yeah

Frank

to Vista, they just screwed all kinds of stuff up, made it really hard to be reverse compatible

Andy

Yeah
Yeah, been downhill ever since

Frank

and it’s been their own damn fault.

Andy

Yeah

Chris

Although I did find something nice, uh, so somebody made a patch for windows 10 that makes it look like windows XP. And the wife is interested in upgrading the windows 10 finally so that she can have.

Andy

I was exstatic with Windows 10 when they finally allowed you to make the dang a taskbar a gray color for God’s sakes that took them years

Frank

Yeah, honestly.

Andy

For a while there I was running one of those things that makes it look like like old classic Windows

Chris

Hmm.

Andy

But I kind of stopped after a while because they don’t do in the the half and half running Windows 11 or 10 with

Frank

I haven’t played with it, but there’s so much different going from XP to Vista and we’re

Andy

With the themes and then you know have them be so close to Windows 11 anyway, just more of a color shift

Chris

Hmm.

Frank

going to forget Vista in any other way than it was just what came right after XP.

Frank

Windows 7, Windows 10, even Windows 11, they’ve changed enough in the interface that even

Andy

Yeah

Chris

Hmm.

Frank

with a reskin, I am not certain that your wife, Chris, that your wife will necessarily

Frank

like the difference.

Chris

Well, that’s why I’m, I’m gonna, I’m going to do a, a test on a spare hard drive on her desktop first.

Frank

Okay, that works.

Andy

That’s a good idea

Chris

Before I go to the, go to her laptop that she uses all the time. So I’m going to have a test drive to try it out on and if she likes it, then I’ll continue with the upgrade.

Andy

Have a word
Well, even Windows even Windows 7 had a classic mode. That’s something they completely dropped with Windows 10

Frank

Like a boot load or something that almost makes me think, well, the classic mode would

Kevin

Ew.

Chris

And see the real classic mode would be like a shell that made it look like windows 98 or windows 95.

Frank

be Windows 8 at this point, so oh, dude, you’re talking too new.
If it’s going to be true classic mode, it needs to be Windows 1.

Chris

3.0.

Andy

Three three oh, yeah

Frank

Okay, 3.1 was the first public distribution, but there’s Windows 1 out there now.
You can go and play with it.

Andy

Cut my I moved from MS-DOS to 3. Oh, was it really below that?

Frank

Well, and technically, Windows 3.1 was still not an operating system, it was an application

Frank

that you ran from the operating system.

Chris

Yeah, but I’m not sure you want.

Chris

There was.

Frank

So yeah, the first Windows operating system was DOS and the second Windows operating system

Andy

Yeah

Frank

was 95, so well, and to be fair, Windows 98 was Windows 95 Vista.

Andy

Yeah

Chris

From DOS. Yeah.
But I think Andy would totally be on that ship. If you could, if you had a shell that copied windows 98 and your major gooey look like windows 98, I thought, I know Andy would totally do it.

Andy

Yeah, that’s where my heart is is 98 you got it

Chris

I might.

Andy

Yeah, which is fine. Well, I I preferred Windows 98 SE that’s that’s my favorite operating system all the time that gave me the last
Less problems as the SE of 98, but you know even moving to like XP wasn’t too bad XP in the classic mode
It’ll felt very

Chris

I was like, personally, I might also.

Frank

I don’t remember what SE stands for.

Chris

Hmm.

Chris

Oh.

Frank

And XP was the first OS that I really enjoyed.

Andy

98 95 ish and then Windows 7

Frank

Like I could use all of the others, but I really enjoyed XP, so.

Andy

Was it
Yeah felt like home

Chris

I did like XP, XP after they fixed it the second time.

Frank

Well now that they’ve had a couple of chances to fix Windows 11, it’s not so bad as it was
when it first came out too, so.

Andy

Agreed

Frank

Oh, sorry Chris, go ahead.

Andy

Oh

Chris

But, you know,
I was going to say, do you guys remember the jazz drives?

Andy

Yeah, I still got some of those up in the attic I

Kevin

Yes.

Frank

I never used them.

Andy

Think the external one I has though has to click a doom, but the internal ones still work

Chris

And so real quick, yeah.
So the, the, the windows 98 was small enough that it fit on a jazz drive and still gave you like half of the disk to put stuff on so to avoid getting to avoid a virus infecting the family computer hard drive.

Andy

Yeah

Chris

And so we each have our own desktop and we each have our own thing and if I did something stupid and screwed up the screwed up the drive, it was just me.

Andy

That’s
Yeah, that’s a awesome way to do it. That is a really awesome way to do it

Frank

So, there is a methodology with some organizations where they do remote terminals, where you’re
logged into a physical machine, but you are using a virtual machine on the server, and

Andy

Yeah

Chris

Yep.

Frank

that’s just basically the same idea.

Andy

Yeah

Frank

Everybody uses the same resource, or set of resources, rather, with the admin having full
control over everything, so.

Andy

Yeah

Frank

I think it would fit in real well with the thing I heard about a while ago, where some techys

Andy

Yeah

Frank

had a kid and they set that kid up with a sandbox, where they can do whatever they wanted

Frank

inside of that sandbox, and they thought it was the real internet and all of that stuff.

Andy

Yeah

Frank

Once they got to be smart enough to leave the sandbox, they were allowed to go to a
bigger sandbox, you know.

Andy

It’s a good way to do it

Frank

It’s almost the way it has to be done now.

Chris

All the world is a giant sandbox.

Frank

Well, technically, yes.
The cloud is just somebody else’s server farm.
Well, anyway, Kevin was really excited to talk about something this episode, because

Andy

Yeah

Chris

Yep.

Frank

he’s violating the convention that we have determined is appropriate for the last year
and a half of doing this podcast.

Kevin

Yeah.
So I guess first I’ll talk about what I’ve been doing and then I’ll get into my current project that I’m designing right now and the reason why and why I think it’ll be okay.

Andy

Yeah

Kevin

So I my 40th birthday was this last Wednesday. And so.

Chris

You old fart.

Frank

Here, I’ll actually, I’m the youngest person in this group.

Andy

Yeah
All part

Frank

I always have been, but it’s instances like this, where I’m reminded that I’m actually

Andy

Yep

Frank

the youngest person in this group.

Andy

Yeah

Chris

I don’t know when you’re 40 years old, I think a year.
Not quite a year differences, not really a fact.

Kevin

Sure.

Frank

It’s a little more than a year.
I’m not 39 yet.

Kevin

Right.
But still anyway, anyway.

Frank

When you’re 18, it means much more.
Go ahead, Kevin.

Kevin

My wife, my wife will be turning 42 this year, but I’ve joked with her that at this year I’m older than her because 40 is somehow older than 42.

Frank

It makes sense to me.

Chris

Okay, whatever.
We can’t, we can’t really tell.

Andy

Yeah, that works

Kevin

Anyway.
Yeah.

Frank

Physically, she’s 42, but I don’t think she’s a day over 40, honestly.

Kevin

Right.

Chris

Yes.

Kevin

So anyway, tonight is I’m having my over the hill party. And so I wanted to decorate the house with over the hill stuff and and skulls and stuff and I was looking for something to 3D print the other day and I found a on thingy verse a skull wind chime.
That’s what it’s called. So you print up the holder thing and then the guy made four different lengths of skulls all chained together to be the dangly bits that would normally be there for a wind chime and then the sale part that catches the wind is a bigger skull.
So I printed, I printed the holder and the, the skull chains on my FDM printer, and I printed the striker plate and this goal sale on my SLA printer and I’ve got that hanging in my front room right now, ready for the party.
I did also try to print up some of the skull chains on my SLA printer, and they all failed at exactly the same time, which to me suggests that the screen started having problems at that point.

Andy

Oh weird

Kevin

But it was working. It’s a print in place articulated thing. It was working until then. And I confirmed this morning that the screen is having issues. It’s crapping out. I just, I think I’m going to need to replace it sooner rather than later.

Andy

That’s a bummer

Kevin

But then a couple years ago, and I talked about this on the podcast fairly early on, my nephew had been at some place where they saw that some guy was selling 3D printed articulated bats and, and he really wanted one and my sister told him, No, these are too expensive.

Andy

Oh

Kevin

I’m sure your uncle could print one up for you. And I tried it on, I tried it on the SLA printer, but it didn’t work. And then I tried it again later on with the FDM printer, but I had adhesion issues. Well, I printed one of these, one of them up for him.

Frank

Better late than never

Andy

Okay
That’s a flixie bet. Yeah

Chris

For our visual listeners.
That that is pretty cool.
It’s a flexi bet.

Kevin

So he’ll be at my house tonight. So I’ll give it to him at that point. He’ll be excited about that. And then I did also try to print up one of those print in place articulated dragon things. This one was called a poison dragon.
But I started having adhesion issues with the, with the filament I was using. So either I’m going to have to mess with the settings on that or go down to a four millimeter or point four millimeter nozzle because I didn’t have any issues with this filament at a point four millimeter.

Andy

That’s weird but that would have changed

Kevin

Yeah. And then so I think, I think that’s all I’ve done this week. It’s been a lot because I did print 12 of those skull chains and a whole bunch. So it was, it’s been a lot of printing. But what I’m another thing though is that the birthday present I got from my wife is a pasta maker.
And it’s, it’s a really nifty unit that you put the ingredients into the tank and it does all the mixing and needing for you. And then it extrudes the pasta.

Frank

okay, and you were sharing that with us before that is pretty awesome.

Andy

It’s so cool

Kevin

Yes. And so I took it came with eight extrusion plates. So that you do eight different kinds of pasta there. It had penne and spaghetti, angel hair, udon, which I’ve never heard of. It’s a square shaped udon is a square shaped spaghetti like thing.

Frank

Okay, oh, penne, I, I thought you said 10am so you’re going never heard of that.

Kevin

But penne is, you know, it’s, it’s the hall. Yeah.
Nope. And it’s also, it’ll also do like linguine, fettuccine, tagliatelle, and lasagna. And that’s all. And, and so then I was like, well, what if I wanted to do other shapes. And so I’ve been looking on Amazon and I can find lots of disks for a different brand of
automatic pasta maker than the one I have.

Chris

So this is this is where calipers come in really handy so you can take your existing plates and make your own design, right?

Kevin

Exactly. That is exactly what I’m doing. And so the one that I’m working on right now is an elbow macaroni. And the plan is that I’m going to 3d print it on my SLA printer.

Andy

That’s good

Kevin

And, and I’m not going to hollow it. So we talked about before that the reason you don’t want to use 3d printed materials for food applications is with the with the FDM printer, you’re going to have big gaps that things are going to get stuck in and that’s

Chris

Also cheap plastics may have lead contamination.

Kevin

Right.

Chris

But yes.

Kevin

And, but I figure with this resin thing that the, the lines, the layers are so thin that the food getting particles getting stuck in it shouldn’t be a problem. I’m not going to hollow it out. I’m going to print it solid.
So one of the risks we discussed was that if you’ve, if you’ve hollowed it out at all, then you run the risk of getting uncured resin in your food.

Andy

Yeah

Kevin

But I think that won’t be a problem with, with having a solid print. And once it’s clean and everything it’s safe to handle. So I think it would be fine to use and I won’t kill anybody.

Frank

That is, of course, the preference.

Kevin

Right.

Andy

Yeah

Frank

Um,

Kevin

And obviously I’m going to try it on my, I’m going to eat what I make with it first and see if it makes me sick at all. And if so, then I will completely abandon this issue. But the ultimate goal would be that I would, I would like to make my own unique shapes.

Chris

Well, just like just like PETG is food safe from an FDM.
It appears that you can get food grade resin.

Kevin

Really.
Hmm.

Andy

Well, yeah

Chris

Yes, available here right on Amazon.

Andy

The initial contact is not necessarily the problem
But if he’s completely cured and everything same with our FDM printers like if you print in PETG
And you know where your PETG is coming from and stuff you’re gonna be I’m not gonna say safe

Kevin

Right.

Andy

Let’s say it’s as safe as some of the other
Formed plastics that you’d purchase off the store shelves the only problem with you know using these printing ones and SLA does suffer from this
But not nearly as bad as is
FDM printer and that’s having food stuck to it within the layer lines and things

Andy

SLA that’s a much less of a risk, but the risk is still there
If you’re really worried just make them one time use and you should be just fine

Kevin

Right.

Andy

I don’t see why that would be a problem the risk comes from the reuse not the initial use
Assuming you’re fully cured and using you know good breads and port and stuff

Chris

And you wash it with soap and water really well first.

Frank

and on this point, we made the distinction that the temperature for your extrusion, when you are doing FDM would probably sanitize most of the plastic anyway, right?

Andy

Yeah, of course, but I don’t think we’re too

Frank

Because because the temperature to print it but even with SLA there are layer lines and I think that’s as much the issue with the food and with FDM you can’t, I mean, I guess we could go the route of like Chris is building an enclosure for his printer could do something like that to keep it a sanitary space in between the layer lines with an FDM.

Andy

Yeah

Frank

It’s still just kind of comes down to the surface of so I think your solution there Andy is it would depend on the complexity obviously but if it’s not super complex just printing off a new disk every time you want to do a noodle would probably be your best bet.

Chris

But
there’s there’s there’s also other things you can do to get rid of the layer lines also you can do a
you can you can do a sanding sand that smooth and then coat it with with a curable resin again.

Frank

And that really just kind of goes back to what I was saying about a clean environment though, if you’re going to go to the effort to go have all of that clean environment.
I mean, we’re talking to a freaking phlebotomist here he understands clean environments probably better than any of us, and their limitations.

Chris

Kevin’s more than just a phlebotomist.

Kevin

Yeah.
I stopped being a phlebotomist like 13 years ago.

Frank

But by training, how about that phlebotomist by training.

Kevin

Right.
Oh, but let technologists what I am now we go through more sanitary sanitation training than phlebotomists do.

Frank

Well there you go.
The argument plays them.

Kevin

Yes.

Chris

Anyway, the point is still valid there, Frank.

Frank

Yeah, my, just because I am not comfortable playing with this stuff playing with the idea.

Frank

Partly because I don’t understand the complexities of it. And that’s terrifying to me.
I just would say be super careful.

Kevin

Yeah, definitely. I will be careful.
And part that’s part of the reason I’m starting out with just a basic shape right now because I don’t want to go through the effort of creating brand new shapes for my new type of pasta that I want to create and all that.

Kevin

And then say, well, this is not going to even be feasible.
The other option I have thought of if, if this turns out to be a no go is that I could get, I could, I could do get some casting sand and some of that wax resin and then print up the template and get some aluminum and and do an aluminum cast.

Andy

There you go, that’d be the fun project

Frank

That would be a good use for and you know we’ve talked about lost medium and casting and that sort of thing and I feel like we keep coming back to it is the preferable solution to food safe.

Chris

Or there’s

Kevin

Yeah.

Frank

It should be a fun project if nothing else. It does sound intriguing.

Andy

So
You’re gonna try doing it for elbow noodles, is that what you said first I hear that right that’ll be good

Chris

Yeah, he’s going to make like the ultimate mac and cheese.

Andy

Nothing wrong with that that’s neat having a pasta maker like that
That’s right up your kind of cooking level there. That’s neat when the videos you showed us it looked pretty cool

Kevin

And I made I made some pretty good mac and cheese last night I ended up making too much sauce. So I’ve got plenty of sauce for more.

Frank

I slow down. There’s no such thing as too much sauce with mac and cheese what are you talking about.

Kevin

Well, if I, if I had put all of the sauce that I made into the noodles that I made, it would have been exactly.

Chris

Yes.

Chris

He’s a noodle soup.

Frank

Cheese soup with noodles in it. I’m okay with that.

Andy

Nice

Frank

I did see in your video and I have a thought that just occurred to me though. It doesn’t look like your noodle maker has any kind of automatic process is that something that like you were manually slicing it off of the end.

Kevin

What do you mean? Oh, no, it doesn’t.
Yeah, so it doesn’t cut anything short. I have to do that myself.

Kevin

But it, it does, it does automatically make, and like I said, the mix and extrude the pasta. The only thing that I have to do is cut it to length.

Andy

Yeah

Frank

Just kind of makes me wonder.

Andy

Which made sense with that particular unit for how fast it was working it would make sense you’d be cutting it yourself

Chris

Well, now I’ve got the gear now I’ve got the gears turning and I’m like, well, I’ve got this old wiper motor.

Frank

We could figure this out.

Chris

Because it already goes just back and forth all by itself already, you know.

Frank

So Kevin Kevin’s going to work on the project of coming up with new or non initialized noodle templates for his noodle maker and the rest of us are going to figure out how to automate the last step for you.

Andy

Dibs on creating the controller that measures the length of the noodle to size before cutting because I did notice it

Kevin

Yeah. Yeah.

Andy

Like comes out at different rates all the time, so you’d have to like measure that that would be a fun little project

Andy

We’ll spend an hour to save 10 minutes

Frank

Hey, when you can turn the machine on and go do something else and not have to worry about cutting it at the right length.

Kevin

Right.

Chris

Yeah, but you’re saving 10 minutes.
Yeah, you’re not only saving 10 minutes you’re saving 10 minutes indefinitely.

Frank

That’s the whole point of technology.

Chris

That’s kind of that’s kind of part of production though, like that’s why the guys at work really really like me is because I spend a little extra time figuring out how to make it go really fast and make it super easy for anyone to do.
And then anybody can do it and it goes really fast.

Andy

That’s good I
Like doing stuff like that. That’s works really well for work making yourself that much better too much more

Chris

Oh, yes.

Frank

I keep thinking it’d be fun to, because my company does a hackathon per year or tech company. We do do stuff.

Andy

Good for the company to hold around better for the raises and things

Frank

But I think it’d be fun to build a neural net around our help page and say hey, I did this quote unquote hack of the existing system and it works better for me than anything that you guys come up with.
So here’s the software.
I’m going to demo it for you and then give it to you because it’ll make my job easier.

Andy

Yeah

Frank

Let you maintain the after work.

Andy

Yeah

Chris

Again, you know with my automatically outputting Excel data from our programs and stuff that wasn’t being done before, you know, so that I don’t have to spend three hours digging through PDFs looking at individual numbers, and then adding up 50 some odd of them to, you know, and

Andy

Yeah, that does simplify things

Chris

Yeah, where Excel just puts it all out and then at the end it and then I just have a cell at the end that says okay, add and through double D or whatever, you know, it does that all does that all for me and I just have to look at it once.

Andy

Yeah

Chris

And that’s part of saving 10 minutes indefinitely and do where it’s, you know, multiple times a week, you know, it’s, it’s saved loads and loads of hours and management recognized that almost immediately and it was incorporated into my annual annual

Andy

That’s good, that’s very nice

Chris

raise. So, yeah, so, so it is this is a very, very marketable skill.
Andy.

Andy

I’ve done a done a lot of that too. I’ve got a lot of software that I’ve written that
Definitely well increased my production capabilities at work
Keeps the employed

Frank

And then they told you to stop using it because a client was like, well, this is going to be so easy. We don’t want to.

Andy

Yeah, that happened I
Still use it for my local work, but yeah, we don’t use it company-wide anymore because it made the job too easy

Frank

I don’t know why they told the client or how the client learned about it in the first place that sounds like easy money to me.

Andy

Well, my name was on a ridiculous amount of work there’s no way I could possibly be doing the amount of work that I was doing

Andy

But and you look through it and yeah, it’s all done. It’s all correct. There’s no problems, but

Chris

If the company, if the company owned that all solely, it wouldn’t be a problem but where it’s, you know, relocated out through contracts, that’s where the problem is at.

Andy

Yeah, yep, yep, and that’s what happened. That’s okay, but at least my work
Understood what I was doing and seen it for two years. We were doing that and

Andy

I was the equivalent of about eight to ten separate employees with the amount of production that I was doing

Andy

So it didn’t get lost on the raises and things but

Frank

So they did recognize, okay, I think I misunderstood something somewhere they did recognize that it was easy money for them until somebody said, why are we paying so much for someone to not do anything.

Andy

Exactly and when the client kind of brought that up that’s when the company said, okay
We’re gonna we’re not gonna use this method anymore because it’s causing a good thing. We already have

Andy

You know without this we don’t want to mess that up even though with it was better
Since the client’s having problems with it. Well, we’ll go without that. But yeah, my my work itself my
Company did recognize that and even apologized when they cut it who cut me loose because I lost almost
$20,000 a year on that doing that extra line of work there for everybody
So they tried to make it better. I got a raise as kind of an apology

Andy

So that was okay. It wasn’t anything close to what I was making
But at least the idea was there and they were willing to

Frank

It was a middle ground.

Andy

Yeah, throw a little bit of money knowing that I was gonna take a hit so

Chris

Yeah, that’s and that’s better than a lot of companies that I’ve worked for her.

Andy

You know anytime

Chris

Yeah. Well, then again, I haven’t worked for a lot of companies but it is a lot better than some companies I have worked for. Yeah.

Andy

I’ve got a lot to complain about my company but anytime I look around or consider what I used to do
I’m so thankful. I got the job I do but I will bitch all day long about it given the opportunity

Frank

I don’t believe it, Andy.

Andy

I think that’s just the nature the nature of work

Chris

Yeah, that is the nature of work. Nobody really wants to go to work, but, you know, there, there are jobs that are less painful than others.

Andy

I am glad to say like a quarter of the work that I do I am happy doing it there would
If I was there and they then said, you know, hey, you’re off the clock, you know, let’s go ahead and go home
I would probably finish the work out of my own enjoyment for about a quarter of what’s there
And I think that even have a quarter is great. So I’ll take it

Chris

Yep.
I got a job like that too. It’s awesome.

Frank

That’s, I would say that’s fairly uncommon honestly.

Andy

Yeah, so I’m keeping my job, I love my job no matter how much I’ll complain about it

Andy

And you know what their paychecks always cash and none of that has ever been a problem and the work’s not really a problem. It’s just

Frank

Dependability is hard to come by with a lot of.

Andy

Well any more it’s a superpower to do what you’re told and come into work for God’s sakes, you know, you get

Frank

Let’s keep the politics out of it there, Andy.

Andy

I’ll try I’ll try

Chris

Yeah, it’s keep the blood sucking off off of our podcast.

Frank

When it comes to whining Andy.
Have you, have you got any projects you want to whine about from this last week?

Andy

I Love whining I love whining. Yeah, I could continue whining

Frank

I hadn’t noticed. I hadn’t noticed.

Andy

So I talked last week about my son making a little project button thing that lights up and makes noise something for school

Andy

I think I got to the point last week where

Andy

We were ready to do the circuit boards, but haven’t done them yet. I think that’s where it was last podcast, right? We wound up

Frank

I remember you just shared the design for his initial button.
And you were talking about building the insert to house the, the circuit board. I don’t think you’d even gotten.
As far as, excuse me, as far as actually designing the board yet though.

Andy

Okay, okay, well everything’s done with that project everything worked out good the board that I wound up designing
We wound up printing off. It was small enough. I could have three version three
Parts of the board on one copperclad

Frank

Okay.

Andy

So I did I did three I cut the copperclad up into thirds that way that three attempts
The first attempt I forgot to mirror the board so all of the components were on backwards on the board
So that was an instant failure and I didn’t realize it till after I had etched the board in acid
So the second one I did mirrored it that turned out good etched the board that turned out good drilled the board that turned out great
And for this time around I was going to use an actual UV
Curing solder mask and I haven’t used it before and so I got some laser printer
Transparency paper that I wound up used to spread out the solder mask over the back of the board
One thing it’s really cool about having an SLA printer is the cure station is a UV curing station at 405
so I popped the board into there and let it do its thing and got it out
I put it back under the laser cutter to cut the pads free to
Etch the pads open because I just you know used the UV resin across the entire board and
For some reason my laser burned off all the copper now any time
I’ve used the laser to do anything to those boards the copper has been
Indestructible for the most part with my laser because I’ve only got a 10 watt laser and so I was really surprised about this and so
Boards damaged all of the pads are melted on the board. So the board’s garbage
And so but I sat there and I played with it
I I put the board under and I etched fake pads over traces and over
Solid parts of the clad and over you know drilled a hole with it
So it was kind of like another pad and tried etching it and I couldn’t get it to vaporize a copper at all anymore
So I don’t know what happened with that
While I was playing with it I did use the same settings as I was using to vaporize the paint off of the board before etching and it only needed like half of that amount of power to vaporize the the mask
So I’m just going to call it a fluke this time around and not really going to worry about it
But I means I’ll have one board left and so I decided not to use the UV solder mask on this one just so I could be done with the project
I was kind of tired of dealing with it that fish tank one took me so long to get right
And this one here was working. Excuse me. Hold on a sec. Oh

Chris

Bless you.

Andy

Apologies, I’m choking over here
Anyway, so the circuit board I did for my fish tank was really complex
And I went through like four or five copper clads in order to get it to something that was usable
And it was just a mess and I didn’t really want to fight this
I thought I had worked out all my problems except for this UV mask and everything was actually working really good except for the UV mask
So the third copy that I did I wound up not even trying the UV mask
I’ll try it again next time to do it properly
So I just soldered the board and then used a conformal coating on the back to protect the copper and that’ll be fine
It’s the same thing I did with my fish tank circuit board
And this is just a small dorky little device that there’s what 24
Pins to solder on I think it was so it didn’t really have that many components or anything like that
It was just a simple little project
Got it done and the kid loved it. He helped me solder
The stuff on he’s still got a lot of practice in using a soldering pencil
He didn’t really take off too good at it, but we’ll get there. He cut his teeth on it. That’s all that really matters

Frank

You got to start somewhere.
He still solders better than me at this point. How about that?

Andy

Yeah
And and that project turned out really good it worked really good the 3d printed housing worked really well for the
For the first time we made it so that it was a it was going inside of a cup
so the case that we made for the project was a round case kind of a puck shape and
It’s split in the middle. You could just twist it and open it up and it’s separated into two shells and
Worked out really good for him. It was a fun project to do with the do with the kids. So
That’s really good. I did try the resin printer for the first time slicing my own thing
So far. I’ve only printed the little rook that came with my
Elegoo Mars four and so this is the first time I tried to print something that I sliced with Chitubox on my own and
I just found a model. I went to go start by

Andy

I grabbed the Battlestar Galactica model and because I was a pretty big fan of Battlestar back in the day and I
Realized if somebody printing supports is so different compared to FDM printing supports

Chris

Yes.

Andy

Like even the slicer like I will never be upset at Cura making a mistake again
after using Chitubox

Frank

And that’s the preferred software.

Andy

I know I know and I’m not saying anything really bad about Chitubox
It is the best out there and people love it and that’s great
But just compared to like the way you would do supports it on FDM
I said I would I’m gonna spend more time messing with supports and I am gonna be designing the actual object half the time
I think so
So after I played with that a little bit, I decided there’s a lot of detail in Galactica. So instead I printed a
enterprise

Chris

An X1 specifically.

Andy

Yep, yep and X1 and
Because it was a little bit more simple on the detail level the details didn’t really stick out as much
So the supports I would have were more forgiving for me and I only made four mistakes on this

Andy

I had four islands. There’s a there’s a little tube that goes along the nacelles on each side of each new cell
that I didn’t support correctly I missed I just didn’t notice it and
So they I had floaters and and that got messed up
But out of the whole thing though the the rest of it printed out really good
So I’m quite happy with it into that sliced okay and printed okay, and now I feel like I should turn around and instead of printing models
Try printing something that I’m likely to print to get some idea of it. So like a gear

Andy

That’s gonna be my next test

Frank

Or even go back to the, the choke knob. Not the, another one at this point. It’s an easy thing that you got available.

Chris

You said choke knob and I automatically went to bedroom toys.

Andy

Of course you did

Frank

Yeah, that sounds like a Chris thing. Absolutely.
Because he is a choke knob.

Chris

Hey, lay off my choke knob.

Andy

But the SLI printer I’m starting to feel good. I only made about half the mess that I did the first time which is really good
I didn’t feel like I had to
Bag up all of my trash and then UV cure it instead
I got my little UV flashlight out and just played with it with my garbage a little bit before chucking it
So that way it was all cured

Frank

Of course you have a UV flashlight.

Andy

Yeah, well, I’ve had one a while back that has a nice UV filter on it
So you can’t really see the light it’s emitting but the UV is there
And I wound up getting another one when I bought the SLA printer that doesn’t have that filter
That I can kind of abuse because it’s cheaper

Chris

They’re actually really, they’re really, really, really fun for parties.

Andy

Yeah, yeah, but it it works and it’s it’s the same
It’s one single LED

Chris

Wow. Yeah, like that.

Andy

But it seems just as bright as one of the LEDs inside the cure station and same kind of color and everything
So I think it’s that even looks in appearance the same the actual three on the inside does so

Chris

Yep.
But you also need to treat it just like other Class 1 Lazer products.

Andy

UV do you really

Andy

Oh
That is good

Frank

That rules out my preferred method of checking batteries.

Andy

I’m glad you said something because I mean to our visual listeners when I was kind of showing this
I was like shining it at my face and stuff. So yeah, okay, I will be I will be more careful with this. Okay

Chris

That’s why I said something.

Frank

Nobody should ever give Andy a lightsaber appointed in his face and be like, how does this work?

Chris

So anyway, I learned this from the recent, there was a convention, I’m trying to remember which one it was, where they used bacteria UV lights instead of regular UV lights at this convention, and everybody had to go home from over UV exposure.
You know, yes.

Andy

No kidding
I’m glad I talked to you before I played around with this a whole lot more that that’s good to know
Cause I have been just being stupid with this toy
Oh, I was like enjoying like I take the rags that I like wipe the bottle off or something
And I’d pull it up and then shine the flashlight on it and watch steam come off of it because you know
It the resin gets really hot when it cures and things and

Chris

And, and that’s, and that’s fine too. It’s just don’t be pointing directly in your eyes, you know, just treat treat treat it more like a late, yeah, treat it more like one of those, one of those pointer lasers, laser pointers.

Frank

We’re letting it refract into your eyes or.

Andy

Okay, that that sounds good, I will definitely do that. Thank you. Thank you for saving my eyeballs

Frank

I said it and now I think it would be a good lightsaber toy.

Andy

No kidding
But yeah
Yeah

Frank

Well, you about done there, Andy. You got anything else you worked on this week?

Andy

Yeah
Yeah, for the most part I did set down to kind of start working on
The ventilation that I would like down here this time around when I use the
The printer it didn’t really smell that bad
I think you know the first time I used it when I was complaining about the smell
I had had a spill of alcohol on the floor down here and

Kevin

Mm hmm.

Andy

It’s alcohol. I just mopped it up with a rag
And the rag was sitting out and it’s I mean even the alarm my hydrocarbons alarm
That I keep in my laundry room with my furnace and stuff was going off left and right because the amount of just alcohol
Vapor that was down here and I’m wondering if that’s actually what I was smelling so badly that I was saying that was stinking

Andy

So bad and not the resin. I noticed the resin has a little bit of a

Frank

But your eyes weren’t watering.

Andy

They were burning regularly. I like a cut onion. Yeah

Chris

Okay, so,

Frank

Andy, we need to talk about printing off a chemical mask for you to work with.
Because that’s not good.

Andy

But anyway
That was the alcohol for the most part when I was thinking I was actually smelling the resin when this time around
I didn’t have any alcohol spills as the smell was actually very light and kind of a little bit of a sweet smell from the resin
I am still going to put that in because the alcohol is dangerous as that could be
It’s nothing compared to the resin even though the alcohol stinks more
So I’m still gonna run with the idea that you came up with Frank
That’s amazing to make like a ring that the top of the lid of the printer actually sits on that I could have touched the the negative air supply too
And I’m still gonna run with that idea there
But I’ve been contemplating using a ducted fan or if I should go and design a squirrel cage blower
To make that and I was also looking at the window that I’m gonna be putting this in and
It’s a lot bigger than I originally expected you guys can see here. This is the window that I’ve got
above my desk here but the overall one square this is almost a foot square and that’s kind of a big piece to
3d print an insert for that I could shut this window on
so I might wind up making the
piece for the window in two separate sections one would be just a blank that would kind of slot into the actual vent and
Fan unit that then I could run a hose down and over to the printer for so

Frank

I would, I would say even go ahead, Chris.

Chris

Couldn’t you just buy a piece of plexiglass that big and then you can glue what ever insert directly to the plexiglass, you know, where you cut the hole out of it or whatever.

Andy

Want to be able to make it so it’s something I could leave in the window and that the wind so with the window shuts on it
It’s actually sealed and just a single sheet of plexiglass makes that kind of hard

Chris

Right.

Andy

These windows are like three-quarter inch wide with the rubber or not rubber
But the felt seal around the outsides and that’s what I’m going to mirror when I go to do this
That’ll be just like a plastic blank. I can stick in there. So when I shut the window
it’s filling that surface up the same way the normal glass does and

Chris

Okay.

Andy

Then put some pretty good fins on it so that rain and water don’t come in
Especially when the sprinklers hit the house and there was a lot to think about that kind of got overwhelmed with the design and didn’t ever

Andy

Do anything especially when I started thinking like a squirrel cage blower would be a lot better for the
the back pressure that you would get then a
Ducted fan would be able to compensate for so I might wind up doing this squirrel cage blower instead for it even though
it’s a little bit more complicated and

Frank

Well, the main reason you were going with the ducted fan in washroom is because you were
charging two exhausts and you wanted to be able to micro control it.
With you not being concerned about the exhaust from your dryer, you could do just about anything you wanted with it to give the right throughput.

Andy

Yeah
Yeah, well and also the one with the dryer
I was going to be using the the three or four
I don’t remember what you this inch hose to do it
But in here I would like to keep it a much smaller
I would like to bring it down to only a two inch hose because the printer doesn’t need a lot of airflow

Frank

Okay.

Andy

It just needs to be negative. That’s the most important part. I mean
Barely negative won’t be enough. But yeah, you don’t need a lot of actual airflow
Just got to be negative. So I would like to keep it under two inches and for that kind of back pressure a
Squirrel cage would probably be better than the ducted fan

Frank

Build a Tesla turbine.

Andy

No, that’s that’s good for output like pressurized output, but not like suctioning very good. It’s more like a compressor

Frank

The output has got to come from somewhere.
It would suck the air out.

Andy

Yeah
So the Tesla turbine has one good good application that I’ve seen and that’s when you’re like pumping mud slurry
But I haven’t really seen it used effectively when other things would wind up being better in in like normal pneumatic applications

Andy

That’s why we don’t really see it used anywhere. It’s a neat design, but

Frank

I just thought it would be cool.

Andy

It would be cool. It is cool. Yeah, don’t get me wrong
This is pretty neat, but it’s not I think just doing a squirrel cage fan
I think my kids are killing each other hear them screaming upstairs
But yeah, I think I will do a squirrel cage
Ducted or a squirrel cage fan for this particular project. I think I don’t know it’s still just an idea I’ll work that one out
I did run into a problem though that I’d like to share that was kind of neat
That’s kind of along the lines of making I use a G 700 mouse a logic check G 700
these are wonderful mice they came out in 2010 they’re amazing and
People love them and therefore they don’t make them anymore. And so they’re kind of stupid expensive to buy
It’s like 150 bucks for a used one
I’ve got two of these suckers and the middle button has got a it’s got a poor button that they put in there for it and
it’s an SMD button surface mount button and I went in there to solder a new one on when mine failed and
I wound up destroying the circuit board
from what I understand the way they made the circuit boards the
Glue when they glued the clad to the board. They used kind of a crappier glue
It’s really super easy to pull the pads off of the board when you’re soldering on them
and so I wound up messing that button up and
So I wound up being able to get a brand new mouth mouse
This was a few years ago quite a few years ago like five or six years ago
I was able to buy another one for like 80 bucks used and
And that’s been working for me good
but then its button went out and I tried soldering on this one again knowing the problem already trying to be very careful now
I am an amateur at soldering but though how easily the board was messed up just the pad just coming off was ridiculous
It just fell right off the minute I put any amount of heat to it
I started at like 220 degrees and kind of worked my way up until I found a
Temperature that would melt the solder that was on there and even that was just too much and the pad came right off
And so I was pretty distraught
this is my favorite mouse of all time and like you can’t buy them anymore and I’ve tried buying ones like them and
They’re yeah, they’re all garbage but I found out that I could buy a it’s got three daughter boards and a mother board inside of this mouse
It’s pretty packed full of stuff and I could buy that entire daughter board
from China for like $15 and so I bought that and it came
Oddly, it’s missing two components
That aren’t soldered on to the daughter board and I don’t understand what’s going on there look through eBay
Every there’s a lot of people selling that daughter board
None of them have the two parts and it’s it’s important parts like on the wheel
You’ve got an IR transmitter on one side and an IR receiver on the other side right and it’s missing the IR transmitter
It’s just not soldered in there and there’s a switch that wasn’t soldered in there, too which was really kind of weird, but I figured okay
Those are through-hole components that the switch was surface mount
But the the other one was through hole and so I could that was easy to unsolder and resolder onto the new board
But when I unsoldered the SMD switch off of the old board to put on the new one I pulled the the con the pads off of it as well
It’s like no matter what I do with the circuit board. It is made so
Crappily the way they glued the the pads onto the board
Anyway, I now have two working G 700 mice that I’m very proud of that work great
And that is like the main project from my week is getting those items fixed

Frank

Ah

Chris

Now see here mouse!

Andy

Thanks, so let me share that one, but yeah, I got I got working mice again. It’s great
That’s that’s pretty much my week

Frank

Good deal.
Chris, have you worked on anything this week?

Chris

No, I’ve been, I’ve been down for the count.

Frank

That’s right, you did say you’ve been sick basically all week, huh?

Chris

Yeah I haven’t really done much except try to get some sleep all week.
But I did find something kind of fun that i’m going to be doing.
So, you know I got in a car wreck a couple months ago.
And I took the insurance money, fixed my old car, and had enough to get a new to me car. anyway.

Frank

Okay, Right.

Chris

So this new to me car has a key and a fob separate.
but I found a file that looks like I’ll be able to put my fob on my car key as a single unit.
I’m going to print it up and see how it works.

Frank

Okay, that should be fun.

Chris

So I think i’ll probably do that this week.
I need to fix the screw issue I had with the wife’s purple Key.
It fell apart because I didn’t have a long enough screw in the…

Frank

That was an early print too. You’ve probably learned a lot since you ran off the first one would be able to make a lot of changes updates.

Chris

As far as the print goes, the print was spot on.
and the components themselves are still good.
I just need to put a bigger screw in it to hold it together.

Frank

Okay.
Huh.

Andy

That makes sense nice

Chris

Also, you had talked about printing a controller stand tree.

Frank

Right.

Chris

I’m going to be doing something like that except for headphones.
So, my daughter has like four different headphones.
Because apparently they decided it was easier to buy four sets of cheaper headphones
for all of the different devices my child uses with bluetooth.
than it is to unpair and pair to a single pair to each one individually every time.

Andy

Okay

Frank

I don’t know. I guess that would get irritating to me too.
Now, keeping them straight would be almost preventively expensive.

Chris

They’re different colors.

Frank

Still, we’re talking about me, not…

Chris

Its a different color for each device so the kid knows which is which.
I don’t

Frank

Okay.

Chris

So we have a charging station for those plus my work headphones and so it’s basically a headphone charging stations but it’s got headphones piled on top of eachother everywhere so I’m going to make a little tree to screw onto the furniture right next to it so you just have them all set one above the other on this.

Frank

I have them all right there.

Andy

That’s a neat idea
I’ve got the same problem at my charging station with headphones like the said I’m wearing
Stacked on everything in the old mailbox system. We used to use when I was renting the place out

Chris

Yes so…

Frank

I’ve gone almost completely cabled with everything myself.

Andy

Didja?

Frank

Wireless is convenient. Cabled is dependable.

Andy

True. very true.

Chris

True. But yeah, sorry.
As long as the device you’re plugging it into actually has a jack for it anymore

Frank

Yeah, is that?

Chris

Jack.
Yeah.
So my boss did something 3D printed this week though that was pretty nice?

Andy

What’s that

Chris

So we have these things called thread plug gauges.
They make sure that when screw threads are machined they are made to machine standards.
Right?
It’s a guage. You put it in. It has a go. It has a no-go.
We’ve got a few of these things. A couple drawers full.
And they have had just miscellaneous cutouts in foam
and it’s not a great system.
So he found on Printables this great little tray set that’s modular that you can just print a bunch of them.
and put these little inserts in and they are half pipes essentially.
that you can make as long or as short as you want with these little inserts kind of like when you have those little bolt trays.
Anyway he printed up a couple of those to see how we liked them. And we all like them very much.
So he’s going to be printing some more.
And our company, just like Kevin’s, has been amenable to paying for his supplies.

Andy

That’s good
How about you Frank have you done anything

Frank

Most of what I’ve been working on this week has been my program to merge the transcript, which is mostly done.
I’m happy to say it’s at least in a word form so I can start using it.
I still need to create the UI and some other stuff.

Andy

Yeah

Frank

Kevin looks like he just damaged himself. Are you okay?

Kevin

I banged my knee

Frank

Your desk isn’t very stable.

Chris

So it looks like we have Jason working on the back end and Craig helping us just above that eh?

Frank

Yeah. JSON is being very helpful on the back end.
I’m still going to have to double check out all the time stamps and all that stuff.
Some of it as I go, there’s still going to be some editing for the transcripts, but not nearly as much.
I think I can get my production time down to about 1… One and a half times recording length instead of being closer to three or four times recording length now.

Andy

That’ll be so much easier yeah, so a lot of time to spend on the podcast so that’ll be great

Frank

So that’s going to be a big difference. And honestly, that as much as anything is why I’ve complained about length.

Andy

Yeah

Frank

So I get that taken care of. The only limitation then is going to be Kevin’s daily work that he wants to get off the podcast to go do.

Andy

Yeah, nice

Frank

Well, and I will still encourage you guys to keep it courteous just because it can be longer doesn’t mean it should be… Andy.

Andy

Yeah, sorry, sorry

Frank

I did print.

Andy

I’ll keep on talking if you let me

Frank

I did print a few things. I found these little bookmarks. I say little, but they’re basically a giant paper clip that is only, I want to say one millimeter thick.

Andy

Okay, oh

Frank

But it’s a good 150 millimeters long.

Chris

Oh, you know, I saw those when I was browsing one of the 3D printing sites earlier this week

Frank

that I do have a few analog books that I read. So I ran one off and was test running it. And my wife was reading her own analog book using a cupcake wrapper.
It’s her bookmark. And I was like, would you rather have a paper clip? She’s like, no, this is fine. And then I hand it to her. She’s like, how long have you been waiting to show this off?

Andy

Okay

Chris

I’d say you should have started with a piece of craft cheese.

Andy

Nice

Frank

Well, we don’t, we don’t eat the craft cheese in this house.

Chris

That’s what, that’s what makes it even, even better.
Go to your next door neighbor. Can I, can I borrow a slice of craft cheese?

Frank

I don’t think anybody in my, I’m almost certain that at least two would never dream of using something so American.

Chris

Come on. It’s, it’s, it’s, it’s used, it’s used everywhere, you know. Yeah. They, they stick it on your burger like half of the places you go, including the Mickey moles.

Andy

Still love me a good craft cheese

Andy

I love craft cheese on a good grilled cheese sandwich I have never been able to make it work with like a cheddar or anything

Frank

Now give me a good Swiss, a sharp cheddar. I’ll even accept white cheddar.

Chris

Oh, so, uh, cheddar pepper jack. Yes.

Frank

I like the pepper jack. Give me a Portobello burger with Swiss and blue cheese.

Andy

Love mushroom burgers, especially when you like filet a portabella cap and put it on as part of the meat

Chris

Well, Kevin has got the concept on this down. He’s okay. So for our visual listeners, he’s showing off his new elbow extruder design.

Andy

Oh, that’s great

Chris

Now, for any of you that have worked with any extruding process, you’ll, you’ll understand why this die is cool in its elegance and simplicity, but functionality, just having a quick look.

Kevin

Right.

Chris

So I’ve worked with aluminum extrusion before, and he’s, he’s taken thoughts into incorporating the support for the center holes, but still allowing them to merge under pressure just after the supports for the center holes, or allowing the sides to merge together from the pressure just after the center holes.

Kevin

Right.

Chris

The only thing, the only thing I can think that would make it better is to make them less square, Kevin, make them, make them more rounded.

Andy

Yeah
If you were to
Chamfer into the the center post and up the wall like halfway along the each line to the center post and then halfway up the wall
Being chamfered it’ll give it more support to and still allowed for that that merge. That looks great

Chris

Yeah.
Yeah. So you can, you can see that they’re angled, but if you just make that angle, yeah, right, right there where you’ve got highlighted, make that less, less square.
It will give you a lot less issues, or yeah, on both sides there. Yeah.

Andy

Yeah, that looks good

Chris

But otherwise, wow, that is an incredible design.
Geez, it’s like, it’s almost like you, you’re, you knew what you were doing.

Kevin

Uh huh.
I grabbed one of the discs and I got my calipers out, and I took all of the measurements and…
WhereI made the penne and these supports are exactly how they do the penne.

Andy

Okay

Chris

And what software is this?

Kevin

This is Free CAD

Chris

Free CAD. Okay. I was like, it looked familiar.

Kevin

Yeah.
This isn’t one I felt like I could do in Blender because the way I did it is I first made the disk
Then I cut holes in the disk with other objects, and that’s not something you can really do in blender.
Unfortunately.

Andy

Yeah

Chris

Yeah. Well, again, blender is more organic. And this is definitely a, this is definitely a cut and dry engineering sort of set.

Andy

Yeah, this is a CAD… CAD thing
The Free CAD’s great for those who haven’t used Free CAD if you take frustration and confusion
Put them together and put a light coating spray of CAD software over the top of it. You get Free CAD. It’s great

Chris

Well, to be, to be, to be fair, you can let you can lessen the headache a great deal with online tutorials. So, well, free, Free CAD has a lot of

Frank

Actually, Kevin, I was just thinking, rather than using a tool to cut those out, look up how to do a loft in with free CAD. That’s the tool or that’s the process that you do that. And then you can repeat it throughout, you know, around the whole disk. That would be probably the, the more common method of achieving that.

Andy

Yeah, Free CAD’s Free CAD’s pretty good

Chris

But yeah, you can, Free CAD, you can, you can reduce the headaches simply by Googling tutorial for whatever specific thing it is you’re trying to do with the software.

Frank

Indeed.

Andy

Yeah, that looks great, I’m excited to see what comes of this during the next podcast

Chris

Well, we’ll have to, we’ll have to see what, what your noodles look like. I never, yes, but yes, we want to see noodles.

Frank

Yeah, I don’t need to see noodles, Kevin, you’re fine.

Andy

Yeah, I
Want to see his noodles

Chris

Well, I wanted to see his noodles, but you know, the doctor didn’t take any photos when he was cutting his head open so.

Andy

Oh
Dear

Frank

That would have been fascinating.
Anytime I’ve had to go into the doctor, they have the screen up sometimes so you can watch what they’re doing. It’s like, this should be recorded. I want to study this.

Kevin

Right

Chris

I want to show this to my grandkids. Look what your grandpa had done.

Frank

And Andy is not doing so well.

Andy

I’m trying not to throw up
No, it just triggered a memory like when when my wife broke her finger smashed her finger up really good lost the fingernail and stuff
She’s interested like you guys are she likes to watch that kind of stuff
And so she asked me to record it and so I’m just sitting there like because if I just empathize I feel that not pain
but like the

Frank

Empathy.

Andy

The the feeling you get when you see someone get kicked in the crotch and you kind of want to cover yourself up
You want to protect yourself of that?

Chris

Oh, yeah, you get that funny feeling all the way from your, from, from your crotch to your neck going

Andy

Yeah, so I get that really really bad when I see like other people’s injuries and stuff
So I’m just sitting there with with my phone holding it up not trying to watch what what’s going on

Frank

Well, and

Andy

And she’s just like interested and she’s she’s
Gearing up she’s struggling because it hurts a lot, but she’s so interested and just sit there watching

Andy

I’m thinking how do you do that?
You guys are nuts

Frank

Well, and we all learned this a while ago, Andy, you cannot watch fail video because you just can’t handle it. But some of those are fascinating.

Andy

Nope

Andy

You fill it all fill everything. Uh-uh not me. That’s enough injury for me
Sounds good

Frank

Well, I feel like we’ve covered a lot today. And Kevin’s got things to do and I want to try out my new program. I’m sure that you and the two of you, Chris and Andy have got things that you wouldn’t mind doing.
Chris probably wants to go to sleep.

Andy

Yeah, I think one of my kids murdered the other one upstairs. I have to go check for blood stains

Frank

I thought that’s what you were doing when you disappeared for a minute.

Andy

I went to go check just to make sure everything was okay, and it was they’re just fighting like kids

Frank

You came back. I assumed that everything was at least within parameters.

Andy

Yeah, he took care of the body, it’s alright

Chris

Chris

The wife, the wife should be back with all the good drugs here any minute so

Frank

All right.

Andy

That’ll be good hopefully you’ll be getting better man

Frank

Well, we’d like to thank everyone for listening to the very end.

Chris

The very, very end.

Frank

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Until next time, we’re going offline.

Kevin

Keep your FEP tight.

Andy

Always use hairspray

Chris

I told a joke so bad I hurt hurt myself. Oh

Chris

I printed some shelves. Then they started hopping around and asking for shanta. Come on.

Andy

Don’t get it

Frank

I actually expected something more like

Kevin

Shanta’s Selves.

Andy

Shanta’s Selves? Come on.

Frank

There it is. There it is.
That’s actually going to be your ending and then we’re going to have this.

Chris

Shelfs with shanta.

Andy

Awful

Chris

Oh, oh, that hurts.

Chris

Yeah, I told the joke so bad I hurt hurt myself.

Frank

Or maybe that should be the ending.

Chris

Oh, oh, yeah, that’s what’s, that’s what’s worse about how funny it is because it’s still funny.

Andy

Oh geez
I’m so sorry for laughing, but I know you’re hurting over there

Frank

He’s hurting because he’s laughing so I’m okay with it.

Chris

Yeah!
That’s what’s worse about how funny it is… because it’s still funny.
Ow!