062 – Go big plastic, or go home

Frank

Thank you for joining us.
This is episode 62 of Amateur 3D Podcast, a podcast by amateur printers for amateur printers, where we share our thoughts and experience.
Panelists this week are me, Franklin Christensen and my friends, Chris Weber, Andy Codham and Kevin Buckner.

Chris

Hi.

Frank

And I was reading the script and I still got lost.
It’s been one of those weeks.
You guys had a good Thanksgiving?

Andy

Did, yes.
Yes.
A lot of food.
A lot of food.

Chris

Yeah.
Par for the course.

Kevin

Yep.

Frank

Good deal.

Chris

Minus the extra work being piled on, but yeah.

Andy

Got some more vehicles and stuff you’re working on.

Chris

Yeah.
Well, so I’ve been, I’ve been waiting a little bit longer than I probably ought to have.
It took me two months to get this engine I ordered, but it finally showed up on Wednesday.
So yeah, should have it finished up and in sometime tomorrow.
So

Andy

yeah.

Chris

Yeah.

Frank

Because you were amazing.

Andy

I guess that was an obvious of a question is, are you breathing with, do you got more work?

Chris

Yes.
And still doing the, the, the remodel on, on the child’s room and you know, I got the top coat of mud on and so it should be ready to paint here very, very soon.

Andy

Nice.

Frank

Good deal.

Andy

There is something nice about painting an area.
I just went through and redid my window stoops or stools, the window sills before I get new windows put in the house here over this next month.
That way it’s just got some, you know, good fresh painted wood to be able to seal to when they caulk it, but it does, it makes the house just feel better when you start throwing some paint down.

Chris

Oh yeah.
Yeah.
In fact, last summer I, I had to go through and scrape off some of the window sills because this, the paint was, I don’t even know how old it was painted before I bought the house and some of it started chipping up.
So you know, I’d scrape it all down, give it a light sanding and then pop a new coat of paint on it and just made them look so much better.

Andy

Yeah.
You know what, hey, that reminds me.
something that I didn’t bring up over the past couple weeks that was a nice little 3D printing moment and that was, I’ve got my orbital sander.
It’s a cheap Harvard freight one, but it’s been kicking butt for me for the last, you know, so several, several years, but it always tears the little levers on the side where you put the paper in place, always tears through the paper.
And that was, it was making me angry when I was trying to use the darn thing.
So I sat down on the solid works and made little, I don’t know what you would call it, little pieces of rubber out of TPU that would go in between the wire that clamps down and the sandpaper itself.
That way the TPU would be pushing down on the sandpaper and grabbing it better than just the raw wire itself did, but that’s still got that first piece of sandpaper on there and it’s still working great.
So it makes me wonder why, I mean, it is just a cheap one that I got and I don’t know how better ones are, you know, put together as far as how they mount the sandpaper to the bottom, but made a big difference on that one.
I’m surprised I forgot to bring that one up for things I printed.
Yeah, that was one of those nice moments where you just, you need a solution, you set down for five minutes and then you sat down the printer for another maybe five minutes and then bam, you got two rubber fittings you can go just use, you know.

Kevin

Yeah.

Andy

One of those nice moments.

Frank

I haven’t referenced my toothpaste squeezer for a long time and we even did topics on useful prints.

Andy

Yeah.

Frank

It never came to mind because it was such a stupid little avoid thing with a slot in it that it just wasn’t a high priority.

Chris

We might want to talk about all the little things because like this last week, I found a one of those little things and printed it up and didn’t even think about it until you guys started saying something that you guys know those measuring tapes for sewing, right?

Kevin

Yeah.

Chris

So it’s just a little roller for that.
So you fit the measuring tape in it, clip it together and then you just roll one side and it rolls it all up inside this little nice little container.

Andy

Oh, that’s cool.

Chris

And then, yeah.
And I showed that to the wife and printed it up and everything and she was oddly ecstatic for this tiny little thing.

Kevin

Nice.

Andy

That’s good.
I think the 3D printers are starting to get too commonplace in our worlds then we’re not even thinking about what we are using them for when we do use them for those quick one-offs.

Frank

Ubiquitous with I got a small problem that I can fix in 10 minutes.

Andy

Yeah.
I like that.

Chris

Yeah.
They are our problem solvers.

Kevin

Yep.

Frank

Yep.

Kevin

Oh, yo

Frank

jinx, pinch poke, you owe me a coke.

Chris

Anyway, that’s the only thing I’ve done this week.
So if we can move on to Andy or Kevin.

Andy

That was Chris’s, huh?

Frank

Well, Andy is off screen and we’d like to see up there he is.
What’d you do this week, Andy?
Besides cough?

Andy

Yeah.
Yeah.
Sorry.
I don’t mean to.
I’m sick.

Frank

He muted us, muted himself, he muted himself and then he turned his head to cough.
It’s interesting just the social things that we do that don’t necessarily jive specifically with technology.
Anyway.

Andy

Oh, I mean, you got to keep up with the routines though too.
Like I don’t know about you, but if I’m driving in my car alone and burp or something, you still verbally excuse yourself because if you don’t, it’s going to get out of habit and then you’re going to be that guy, you know…

Frank

because you practice or you perform how you practice type thing.

Andy

Amen.
Amen.
But yeah, so as far as what I’ve done is not a lot since last week, I did mention last podcast, but you know, we got the holidays starting to come up here and Thanksgiving and stuff and that was occupying quite about my time and that proved to be true.
I haven’t done anything with my model for the sandworm or 3D printing related at all.
The wife does have me, you know, we got the laser cutter and that’s been opening up a few doors and the wife wanted to make some gifts for her family and for her siblings because they usually buy each other something small for Christmas and she’s got several siblings.
I think there’s like eight or nine or 10 or something.
There’s a lot of them.
I don’t… miscountet, but so she found some models on Thingiverse that were Star Wars models that made of wood using a laser cutter.
And so we’ve been grabbed a bunch of those models, all one guy did them.
They’re really nice.
I wound up throwing them a couple of bucks for that because that was, his models are really high quality.
You guys seen the pictures that I’ve sent you on those, they’re pretty neat and then the wife’s group of friends usually do like a gift exchange and so she wanted to do something else with the laser cutter.
She found a nice image of a mermaid, put a nice border around it because it’s her mermaid group friends that she’s doing this with and we etched that out last night, took quite three hours to etch that board, that what is it like a 16 by 16 inch board, something like that.
It’s pretty big.
It’s about this big, but got full image on there of this mermaid with a border around it and then we’re going to stain it and make it look pretty and that’s going to be the gift for that.
So the laser cutter has gotten a lot of use and a lot of work, but the 3D printer unfortunately it’s been sitting kind of dry.
However, the wife did also tell me I need to print a couple of things for some other gifts for her family, the white elephant gifts that we do every year.
She thought it’d be fun if we print some stuff for that.

Chris

You’re not going to print an actual white elephant?

Andy

That’s actually not a bad idea.

Frank

Put it in a box.

Andy

Do you guys have any idea where white elephant, the whole concept of why it’s called white elephant, where that come from?

Frank

Not off the top of my head, but…

Andy

that’s going to be a research thing because I don’t know, but yeah, you got to…

Kevin

If I remember correctly, it had something to do with way back in the day, elephants being the huge exotic creatures that people didn’t get to see much was kind of a popular thing to have a porcelain elephant.
But then at some point it just became too much and so it was like the gift and nobody, people got tired of it and didn’t want it anymore and so then they’re like, hey, this is a white elephant.

Chris

Well, here’s the thing from Google is from the story that the kings of Siam gave such animals as a gift to courtiers they disliked in order to ruin the recipient by the great expense incurred maintaining the animal.
So it’s not just an expensive thing because it’s an elephant, it’s a super expensive thing because it’s a white elephant.

Kevin

And I do believe you meant Siam?

Chris

Siam.
Yeah.
But yes, I am.

Andy

Yeah.
I learned something new.
So anyway, we got a white elephant thing to do with my wife’s side of the family and we got to bring three gifts and I grabbed one of them.
I ordered 100,000��100,000in100 bills and I’m going to wrap them in brown paper with some powdered sugar and maybe some red splotches of paint, of brownish paint, red brown paint that look like dried blood and then I’m going to wrap that up so it looks like drug paraphernalia.
And that’s going to be one of the white elephant gifts and the wife wants to 3D print the other two.
So we got a little bit of contrast in the concepts here.

Frank

So I did join a white elephant last year and Candice came in and grabbed all of the benchies out of my waste bin and we put them in a box and gifted them as our white elephant gift that year.

Andy

That’s a good idea.
I like that.
That is.
That is.

Frank

It was amusing.
My father-in-law got them and he’s like, what are these?
And Carl was like, oh, they’re benchies and that’s all he got.

Andy

I think she wants me to print up one of those flexible dragons for at least one of them and I haven’t made one of those yet.
I was supposed to make one for her a long time ago and never did and she’s reminded me today that I never had done that.
So…

Frank

there’s a few of them out there.
Most of them are really good though.

Chris

Yeah.
This spiral one that I printed for the wife last time, the way it’s done is it has the four legs.
It’ll stand upright and then the whole tail of the dragon is articulated.
So it’s kind of a little bit of both.
So there’s an idea.

Andy

She sent me links for the one that she wants a long time ago.
I just got to go dig them up, but got to stay out of the doghouse for that one and then see which one she wants me to print up for the white elephant.
So I’m sure I’ll be running the printer for those things and I’ve got some of that nice like tri-colored plastic that Chris got back in the day and I’m going to make them out of that.
But that’s really all my plans.
I mean, there’s a lot going on.
So next podcast, I probably won’t have a lot either because I’m going to spend this weekend getting all the Christmas decorations and things up, taking down all the Thanksgiving Day stuff.

Frank

Cool.

Chris

So.

Frank

So Kevin…

Chris

it’s not just nuts, it’s queez nuts.

Frank

ChristmaHanukkahKwanzika.
For anybody who watched Orange County back in the day.

Andy

That one was the one that was always.

Frank

No, that one was from the singular commercial.
Christmaca was from Orange County.

Andy

Sorry.
Oh, gotcha.

Frank

Anyway, Kevin, you do anything this week?

Kevin

Yeah, I did.
I did quite a bit actually.
So I printed that tube rack that I was talking about and then in order, I didn’t think I was going to have enough time to print all the side support plate things on the FDM printer.
So I printed them on the SLA printer.
And a funny thing that happened with that was that I pulled, when I pulled the plates out of the printer, there was a cat hair poking out of one of them.
It had somehow gotten into the resin vat and gotten incorporated into the print job.

Andy

Oh, that’s funny.

Chris

It’s amazing It didn’t ruin your print or anything.
That’s kind of nice.

Kevin

Right.
I mean, and so upon further inspection, I could see that the cat hair was going completely through the plate.
It wasn’t just embedded in it.
It was like poking all the way through.
Unfortunately, for some reason, the support plates when I printed them on the SLA printer were somewhere between three and five millimeters too long for the pieces of the tube rack.

Andy

Oh, that’s a weird

Chris

Size didn’t match, huh?
So do you have on your SLA software, does it tell you how big your print is?

Kevin

Yeah.
But I didn’t really pay attention to that because I haven’t needed to do any size adjustments when I printed on the FDM printer.
And so I thought, you know, since I designed the piece to be a specific size, I thought that’s what it was going to be.
And the holes were the right size.
Oh, that’s weird.
So it’s like, I don’t know.

Frank

There’s a little out of spec in a weird place.

Kevin

Yeah.
Next time I try to do that on the SLA printer, I will have to take that into consideration and actually look at the scale of it and adjust accordingly.
But I ended up having enough, just barely enough time to actually print all the pieces on the FDM printer.
So that was fine.
Another thing I did, like I said, last week, I had changed the FEP.
I mean, I did that while on the podcast.

Andy

Yeah.

Kevin

I tried the headless horseman again, and it worked.

Frank

It came out great.

Kevin

Yeah.
The funny thing is though, when I went to check on it to see if it had worked, my initial thoughts were, yes, it worked.
Yay.
And then I pulled the build plate out and turned it over and saw that there was no head and had that all of, no, the head didn’t work, and I was like, wait a minute.

Chris

Oh, that’s great.

Frank

That one’s on purpose.

Kevin

Yeah.
And then I also, I printed up a couple of these guys.

Chris

Oh, that’s the Mimic ornament.
That’s pretty nice.

Kevin

Yeah.
So for visual listeners, it’s an ornament, but it’s got like four or five eyes, kind of like a mismatched spider and a big gnarly Mimic mouth.

Kevin

Yeah.
Huge.

Andy

That is neat.

Kevin

Sharp teeth.
So my plan is that I’m going to get this all painted up, and I’m going to put it on the Christmas tree and see how long it takes for me to notice.

Andy

Oh, there you go.

Chris

Did you make this one?

Frank

No, he got it in a, was it Loot Crate?

Kevin

Loot Studios.

Frank

Loot Studios, yeah.

Chris

Oh, okay.

Frank

It was that in the Alien from the DC movie.

Kevin

There was an Alien star tree topper.

Frank

Yeah.
The Alien itself is from the one where they’re all prisoners.

Kevin

I don’t know that it was the same Alien as in the Suicide Squad.

Frank

It looked like it was though.
That’s a Suicide Squad.

Kevin

Kind of similar, I suppose.

Frank

On a thing.
Yeah.
Anyway.

Kevin

Anyway.
So I’ve done a couple of those.
And then I tried to print up on the FDM printer an articulated bat, because my nephew was at an event a few years ago, actually.
And he, there was a guy there selling 3D printed articulated bats and other 3D printed things.
And he really wanted one, but this guy was charging like 10 bucks for em.
My sister said, I’m pretty sure Kevin can hook us up.
This was before I had an FDM printer.
And I did try to print it on the SLA printer way back in the day.
And we talked about it at that point, and it did not work on.

Frank

I was going to say this sounds like a familiar story.

Kevin

Yeah.
So I tried to print it on the FDM printer, and I walked away and came back after an hour or so to see how it was doing.
And it had shifted the build plate to the right that was not working.
So I started it again, like I stopped it, got it all cleaned up, started it again to watch exactly where it would fail.
And it was on one of the left wings, the like the second segment to the left from the body.
When it started trying to print there, there was no bed adhesion.
So it was just kind of like spaghetti-ing all over.
And I think what happened was the nozzle caught the spaghetti and just shifted the build plate to the left.
So I don’t know why that happened.
So I think I need to re-tram the bed.

Chris

Yep.

Frank

My assumption with something like that has always been that I touched it, and it doesn’t take a lot of your finger oils or something like that to be a problem.
And I started using the, it’s not the skirt.
What is it?

Kevin

Raft?

Frank

No.
The raft takes up four layers, and I’ve been trying to move away from that.
The one that starts at the edge and moves out is that…

Chris

Oh.
A brim.

Frank

A brim.
Because it ties everything together, and even the little places where it doesn’t necessarily stick very well, it’ll be stuck to everything else.
So it’s a good middle ground if you don’t want to take the nuclear option and hairspray it down.

Kevin

Right.
Well, and see, Chris has said that hairspray with the textured bed makes it impossible to remove.
And I’ve got a textured bed.
It’s a very textured bed, but the skirt works fine.
So yeah, it might just be the finger oil to do.
So I can try it again with the brim.

Chris

Yeah.
I take it in levels.
So I try my normal print, if that doesn’t work, you know, I’ll start with a brim.
And if that doesn’t work, then I’ll, then I’ll go nuclear and go with the hairspray.
But you can get it off the bed with the hairspray.
You just have to let everything cool down and use a proper scraper.

Kevin

Scrapers are kind of hard with my, with my super textured bed, though, like it’s, it’s very textured.
You could look at it and see that it’s textured.

Andy

Oh, really?

Chris

Right.
Yeah.
I mean, mine is too, but again, you know, I just use one of those.
It’s not an actual, it’s a scraper, but it’s not like a razor knife scraper.
It’s

Kevin

yeah.

Frank

Yeah.
It’s a painting knife.
It’s an oil paint knife.

Chris

Yeah.
So.

Kevin

Okay.

Frank

And they’re actually less expensive if you go to buy them for anyone listening.
They’re less expensive.
If you go buy them as an oil paint knife, than if you buy them as a 3D painter scraper.

Andy

Yeah.
Yeah.

Frank

3D printer scraper.

Andy

I think I still use the cheap old paint scraper that my printer originally came with.
It’s got like a crappy wood handle and about as cheap as you can get, but it was, it’s still been my go-to this entire time.

Chris

So.

Frank

Yeah.
I got a, I got a putty knife with mine.

Chris

Yep.

Frank

I use, I use a putty knife.

Chris

Oh yeah.
That’s exactly what I used to get.
So.

Andy

Yeah.
Works good.

Chris

Yeah.
So get a putty knife to pull it off after you’ve used hairspray.

Frank

And at the hardware store, you can get a decent one for like 10 bucks, five, 10 bucks.

Chris

Or less.
Yeah.
I actually used to work maintenance at the mall of Warts.
And so I had a handy dandy scraper to pull, pull gum up off of the floor.
And I still have it.
And that’s actually what I, what I’m using.
So.

Andy

It’s good to repurpose that kind of stuff.

Kevin

And I, I do have the scrape putty knife scraper that came with the printer.
But in my experience, this just has not been very good at getting stuff off of the build plate.
I’ve got a flexible one though.
So I bend that to get stuff off.
Maybe that would work with, if, if I was using hairspray.

Chris

Yeah.
Anyway, you guys are going to get my outro that we decided not to use.
It’s a, I printed a scraper, but no, I can’t get it off my printer.

Andy

That’s a good one.
That’s a good one.

Frank

Uh, yeah.
That’s as bad as the, the scissors or the snips that are zip tied to their, uh, together.

Andy

Yeah.

Frank

They’re zip tied closed and to the package.

Kevin

Yeah.

Andy

Yeah.

Frank

Yeah.
3D print your scraper there Chris

Chris

Yeah.
I’m done.
I’m done interjecting.
Sorry.

Andy

I was considering doing that the other day, like, um, uh, so I got when, when, when my bathtub was installed, I don’t think the surround was screwed down tightly to the, the base.
And now it’s all put in to the bathroom and, and all that years ago.
But, um, I went to, I’ve got a problem with it leaking.
And so I’d go and caulk around the bathtub to connect the surround to the tub.
And I would always develop a crack along it.
And I thought I just don’t know how to caulk, you know, I’m just not good at this.
So I’m the one causing the problem.
So I’m ripping the caulk off, trying again, trying again, get frustrated.
I’ll try it a couple of years later.
And, um, uh, to this, to this time, I tried a couple of weeks ago.
I realized when I’m standing in the bathtub doing the caulking that I can see it actually moving a little bit.
It’s moving about the thickness of a penny between the two…

Frank

but it’s separating while you’re in it.

Andy

Yeah.
Yeah.
And it’s just my, my weight on the bathtub, the bottom base of the bathtub that is pulling it down just a little bit.
And so that got me thinking like, okay, what do I do about this?
Did a little research.
There’s some stretchy caulk you could use that will solve this problem.

Kevin

Yeah.

Andy

But I got to remove all the old caulk and a while back with, um, some of the printer crap that I’ve purchased in the, in the past, where they give you a little extras, they gave a little plastic, um, a scraper for the printer.
And I never want to use it, but it was sitting on top on top of the, uh, my dryer here forever.
And I figured, oh, that would be great to go in there, grab that to get the caulk off because it won’t scrape the bathtub, but it will scrape the caulk.
And, uh, I went to go find it and couldn’t find it.
So I’m the first thought after that is I, maybe I could just 3D print a small scraper that I could use for the bathtub where that was going was 3D printing a scraper.
But yeah.

Chris

Yeah.

Kevin

Well, it took the long way to get there a little bit.

Frank

The plastic ones that you get at the hardware store, just injection molded and shaped with an edge.
So…

Andy

it is true, but that means I’d have to leave the house with the kids.

Frank

No, I’m saying you should be able to print one off because it’s not going to be that much different.

Andy

Yeah.

Frank

I mean, the injection molded one will probably be a little bit stronger, but it depends on how long you expect it to last.

Andy

Yeah.
I need just a one time use thing.

Frank

Don’t beat the out of it and you should be fine.

Andy

Yeah.
Well, I’m hoping I’d be able to beat the crap out of a little bit, but you know, I was going to, I was looking up to start that dragon that I was talking about, but I think I will throw a thing of a scraper on there.

Chris

Yeah.

Frank

Just don’t let your side quests get you in trouble with the wife.

Kevin

Right.

Andy

Yeah.

Chris

Got to finish the main story.

Frank

Got to get those main quests done too.

Andy

Yeah.
No kidding.
And I’m already kind of in the doghouse for forgetting about it to begin with.

Frank

For the last year.
Yeah.
Don’t need to remind me every six months.

Andy

Yeah.
Well, it’s the way she said it too, because she says, hey, you remember that dragon that you were going to print me a while back that you never did?
Can we do that for the white elephant?

Frank

Prompt.
Prompt.
Prompt.

Andy

It was like really rubbing it in.
Oh, I forgot about that.
I’m so sorry.

Frank

In the end, it’s fair.
Let’s be honest about it.
We earned the criticism.

Andy

Oh, yeah.
Definitely.
I completely messed that one up.

Chris

I try to keep the communication open as far as her expectations.
So I go, okay, if there was something you wanted me to do and I didn’t get around to, it is okay to remind me.
Just don’t be mean about it.

Frank

Yeah.

Andy

Yeah.

Kevin

Yep.
Yep.

Andy

I hate it when somebody wants you to print something and you get all excited.
It’s like, yes, we could do that and then they start throwing at you what they wanted.
It’s something that’s impossible and it feels like whenever anybody asks me to print something like that, it’s like, yeah, I would love to do that for you.
We could definitely do that.
And then everything that they point out, it’s like, oh, that’s not going to work the way you want it to.

Chris

Yeah.

Frank

The one that gets me.

Chris

You don’t throw a fit.

Andy

Yeah.

Frank

The one that gets me in trouble is there’s a lot that I want to do.
So my wife will be like, yeah, let’s do this.
And I’ll be like, I can print that or I can build that or I can project that.
And it actually kind of became a joke where she’s like, should we do this?
And it’s like, yeah, let’s put it on the list.
It doesn’t physically go on the list because it just gets too long to do.

Andy

Yeah.

Frank

So…

Chris

a list is a great thing to do.

Frank

Indeed.
Yeah.
Well, it takes a project to build the list, and which is why there’s no physical list to track everything that’s on the list because it’s on the list.

Kevin

One of my favorite sayings, though, is listen, ladies, when a man says he’s going to do something, he’s going to do it.
There’s no need to remind him about it every six months.

Andy

I like that.
I like…

Frank

Chris’s shirt there, right?

Kevin

I don’t know.

Chris

I’ve got a little can cozy that’s got that on it.

Frank

Maybe that’s where I saw it.
I’m pretty sure I have this memory of seeing it at your place.
I can’t remember how I saw it.

Chris

It’s the little canned cozy I have on my display shelf by all the Coke stuff.
Yeah.

Frank

Yeah.
That would be it.
Because that’s where we do the game night stuff, too, when we do it.
All right.
Well, a quick summary for me.
I didn’t do nothing this week except for gorge on turkey mashed potatoes and pork butt.

Kevin

Yeah.

Andy

You’ve done it right.

Frank

So yeah.
We did get together early today specifically so that I could go spend more Thanksgiving time with yet another branch of the family.
So if you guys don’t have anything else, let’s wrap this up.

Kevin

Okay.

Frank

All right.
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Chris

The very, very, very, very end.

Frank

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Kevin

Keep your FEP tight.

Andy

Always use hairspray.

Chris

Go big plastic, or go home.