Frank
Thank you for joining us. This is episode 74 of Amateur 3D Podcast, a podcast by amateur printers for amateur printers where we share our thoughts and experience.
Our panelists this week are me, Franklin Christensen, and my friends, Chris Webber, Andy Cottam, and Kevin Buckner.
And we almost didn’t have Chris, but he slid in at the last moment and screwed everything up when we had to restart.
Thanks, Chris.
Andy
Happily restart, I’m glad we reset, so we can get a handle on it.
Chris
My wife thought she was doing something nice by turning my alarms off because of I’ve been not sleeping well because of health issues at the moment, so.
Frank
That’s fair. You do realize we have said it before, and we’ll say it again, on the record, if you need to miss a day, let us know, dude.
Andy
Yeah, well if you ever need a break.
Frank
We were ready to go without you. If you would have just let it stay, we would have gone on.
Chris
Well thanks.
Andy
There also is the social aspect behind it too that’s kind of helpful too, so.
Frank
Yeah. I mean, I think all of our wives at this point have appreciated that we’re doing this as long as we have, because we like talking to eachother.
Anyway, since Chris slid in at the last moment, we’re going to ask him to go first. Did you do anything with your printer this week?
Chris
No, but I know the first thing I need to do with my printer is figure out why the heat block won’t turn on.
Frank
Oh, you’re still working on that?
Chris
Yeah, I didn’t even touch my printer. I’ve been a little preoccupied.
Andy
No problem.
Frank
That’s fair.
Andy
Making any progress with the car.
Chris
Yeah, I got a bunch of the gaskets and stuff I ordered all came in so that’s what I’m doing this afternoon is hopping out to the garage and getting the engine worthy.
Andy
Very nice hopefully it goes as smooth as you’re hoping.
Frank
Indeed.
Chris
Would be nice.
Frank
We miss you bringing content to the podcast, Chris.
Chris
Yeah, the last thing I did was print up those those signs for the dishwasher and the quality on those were so poor. I decided to try to change my nozzle. Well, my nozzle, pulling the nozzle off and putting a new one in.
I have some something happened with my heat block on that.
Frank
Brought the rest of the issues to light.
Andy
Do you have a replacement thermistor and heater cartridge by chance.
Chris
I don’t know. I’m gonna have to look back into the look it back into the box of accessories that came with my printer.
Andy
Okay, well if you do need some I got all the 24 bolt versions of everything so if you need something I’d be more than happy to drop it off they’re not exactly expensive when you buy them in lots so.
Chris
Okay, well, thanks.
Andy
Yeah, no problem got to get you back up in case you need to use the printer for anything important especially during this new engine rebuild job you’re doing.
Chris
Yeah, can I can’t imagine I would need any anything 3d printed for putting a new new to me engine in my car but
Frank
Well, if you want to confirm all the configurations with the timing belt and all that, you might have one of those blocks like what you ran off for to hold the upper cams in place.
Andy
Yeah, there was little times like that where it was useful.
Chris
Yeah, that was yeah that was for a Chevy.
Frank
Would it be the same tool that you did before?
Or, so not the same configuration for the tool?
Chris
No, no, no boxer engines are completely completely different in that regard.
Andy
I’ve never seen a boxer engine outside of the engine compartment and when you showed me the picture of the one that you were picking up.
I knew they were flat, but seeing it, you know, in the way you had it, they really are flat.
Frank
Well, it makes sense. The pistons are opposing each other. You don’t need a whole lot of other configuration, extra steel for it. So, not steel. Is it steel? Yeah, it’s steel.
The block is steel. The head is aluminum, right? Usually.
Chris
Sorry, what?
Frank
For engines, the block is usually steel and the head is aluminum, or am I just way out in left field? Okay.
Chris
No, that’s right. That’s right. Yeah.
Frank
Well, Kevin, have you done anything this week?
Kevin
Yeah, I have so during the week
Kyle at came up to me and asked if I’ve ever heard of a death whistle
Andy
I don’t know where this was going.
Kevin
And
And I said well, yes, I have
And he said I kind of want a 3d print one
I said, okay, uh
find an stl and
Andy
Kyle is definitely your kid man that’s all I got to say about that.
Kevin
We can do we can make that happen
so So he went on thingy verse and found
um a Mayan death whistle as it was called
It was a skull shaped death whistle and so the the people on thingy verse were saying that
They… Some of them were having a hard time getting it to work others were like well, it has to be completely hollow
so Make sure you don’t use any supports on the inside
And that was something that the designer actually said was
If you have to have supports make sure they’re just all on the outside like under the cheekbones and
what not so Then I asked him if you if he wanted it um on the
FDM printer or on the sla printer and
His first response was well
I think I’d rather have it on resin because
To me it seems resin is higher quality
And I said, okay, so I sliced it for that
But I was already in the midst of printing
Something else at that point on my resin printer. So I
Said well, we could also do it on both
And see which one works better and he said yeah, let’s do that
so I sliced it for my FDM printer and printed it up and
He’s been playing with it yesterday
and then I finished printing the other thing and um, so yesterday I got the
Death whistle going and it finished and it’s still on my build plate right now
I haven’t done any other post processing on it. So we’re not sure which one works better yet
The other thing I was printing on the sla printer
is This little guy
That I’m fairly excited about
my I have a friend who
has a pathfinder second edition campaign going on
and he asked me to join and
He wanted me to recreate
The first bard I ever played
Um, it was a gnome-ish bard by the name of pick-stickle-grickl-string
And uh, so I recreated that and then I went on
Titan craft and I made this little gnome bard with an axe guitar
And he’s got his impressive collection of hats next to him because that’s one of the
Features of the guy and I like and you’re not going to be able to see this because of the quality of the camera, but
If you look at it up close, you can see that he’s actually
Play about to play an E minor chord on the guitar
because you can do that on Titan craft. You can manipulate the fingers and everything
So that game I’m going to go to that game for the first time tonight and I’m fairly excited about that
Frank
Can we take a moment and appreciate the kind of detail you can get from a 50 millimeter tall statue with SLA such that you can see the kind of detail of what chord a character is playing on their guitar?
When the neck of the guitar is, what is that, two millimeters wide?
Kevin
Yeah, something like that
Frank
Oh man. Dude, that is awesome.
I also think that you gave me the title for this episode, but I need you to tell me again, what’s the name of your bard?
Kevin
Pickstikkelgrikkelstring I will put I will put it in the chat
Andy
That is definitely the title of the episode that’s awesome.
Kevin
And
Then uh after I printed the on the fdm the uh
Mayan skull death whistle I got uh
zombie hand cell phone holder going and
this morning as Andy and I were Hanging out waiting for the podcast to start.
I heard some knocky slap Snappy noises behind me in the vicinity of my printer and I looked back
and saw that the nozzle had collided with the model and de-indexed and It was so close
Andy
It’s a sucks. That’s so much printing time right there.
Frank
It really does, but at the same time, you saved a lot of material by being present when it happened, too.
Kevin
Uh
Not as much as you might think it was close to being done just a second
Frank
Oh, like two layers, maybe? I’m assuming. Let’s see.
Kevin
I will grab it and show you for the visual listeners
Andy
Two layers that’s that’s good enough he could probably fix it but yeah, this is a bummer.
Kevin
See all it had left was the four fingers
Little bit of the palm I guess but so very disappointing
Frank
Looks like it had finished all the supports, though. Is that right? Maybe just a little bit left?
Kevin
A little bit left, yeah
Andy
That’s disappointing.
I wonder if having having that much of the print done, how easy it would be to try to line it all back up. And, you know, with an edited gcode file, where you cut it all out and restart it manually to try to save it.
Frank
I have seen, I did watch a video a while ago, this guy, the print had failed in the middle, and he measured it out, the part hadn’t de-indexed.
I think that would be the hardest part about restarting a print, is it hadn’t de-indexed and hadn’t separated from the build plate for him yet.
He was able to measure it and do some magic with Cura, where he set the Z offset at the height where it stopped, and basically drop it into the build plate in Cura at the point where it stopped.
So it just restarted from there at the Z height, and it worked for him, but it was so touchy and so temperamental that even if you’re there to catch it when it stops, you’re going to have trouble.
That’s why I just opted since then to just, okay, scrap that, start over.
Kevin
Right and looking at it it looks like it de-indexed
Um quite a white like it printed
It looks like about four millimeters after it de-indexed before it popped off popped
Build plate off of the um off of the heat bed
So…
Andy
Okay, so you got about four millimeters of damaged messed up print that you’d need to get off or something too.
That would be tough. It’s kind of one of those things where you might only try if it’s like a large amount of plastic used that is cost worthy to give it a shot to try to fix and I mean with your zombie stuff, a little bit of not having it lined up completely can probably be fixed with sanding.
Frank
Well, and it adds to the character of the zombie hand, if there’s a little bit that’s like disjointed, you know, you can write that off. It’s a feature, not a bug.
Kevin
Except for this is supposed to serve a function. It’s not just a statue. It’s a cell phone holder
Frank
So you want it stable enough to hold the phone where it was de-indexed, and it may not. That’s a good point. Yeah, I don’t know, it’s hard.
Andy
Yeah, with I mean it’s a big print and took a while but it doesn’t look what’s that maybe two or $3 worth of plastic right there.
Kevin
Probably
Andy
Yeah, that’s probably worth just restarting, especially when it’s something that you’ve been looking forward to print it would be nice to have it more perfect than, than repaired so.
Of course, who knows you know just thinking of this. It might be easier to do kind of what you suggested, but instead of doing a Z offset, bring the print below the bed, and then just print the rest as a brand new piece, and then glue it together.
Frank
And then glue it together. That would work, because then you can refine the pieces that you’re putting together too.
Kevin
Well, I think I’m gonna retry with um
See I got this off of loot studios and their whole platform is designed around resin printing
But my resin printer is too small for something this large
so they do…
They did break it up into smaller pieces
So I think that’s what I’m gonna do is I’m just gonna take the smaller pieces instead of trying to go whole hog with the whole thing
As a single piece
Because it it seems like it’s just too tall for my printer
Chris
Yeah. The thing about tramming your bed is any slight error in tramming your bed slowly gets worse the higher you go.
Frank
That’s not been my, because once you get a good layer, it’s then trammed to the part that’s being printed from there. So tramming in my experience has only been extremely necessary for the first layer.
Andy
Unless you’re misaligned more than that point three millimeters or whatever your first layer is.
Frank
Now, now if you’re, if you’ve got like the dual feed screws and that sort of thing, and one of the motors is misbehaving, and you know, you start getting crooked like that.
Over short distances, it’s not such a big deal, but you know, over the height, say I’ve got 400 millimeters of height, I can go, and that’ll only get worse if one of my motors misbehaved.
Andy
That’s true you got to Z motors on yours don’t you.
I do. I am privileged to do that. And I’ve seen where a lot of even some of the new printers, they’ve only got the one Z screw.
Oh, they’ve got, they’ve worked it out with some where they’ve got the two Z screws, but they’ve got a belt between them at the top so that they both spin at the same time.
And it’s like, no, I’m happy to have two stepper motors driving mine.
Frank
They have to be aligned is the hardest thing. But as long as you’re not crashing into the build plate regularly or something like that, they’re going to be fine until they die and probably die at about the same time just because they’re doing the same work.
Andy
And I don’t think you’ll ever actually lose the motors those are just inductors. Well, again, I guess the bearings could go out in them.
Step or motors are just the way they’re built on the inside can there unusually hardy for being a motor, because it is just a static inductor on the inside strap of coil, you know, and so the only moving.
Frank
That’s probably the biggest reason they’re used is because they’re dependable.
They’re just bulletproof that you have to really abuse them for them to fail.
Well, Kevin, was there anything else that you were working on this week?
Kevin
Uh, nope, that’s it
Frank
Cool. Andy, did you do anything this week?
Andy
Excuse me.
Yeah, I’ve been printing almost constantly.
I’m working on my component drawers and I started this project our last two podcasts we had a guest on so I didn’t get to talk too much about it.
So I’d like to kind of rewind a little bit here for content purposes and talk about what I was doing here.
Frank
Four, sure.
Andy
Yeah, so I growing up, I had the drawer boxes. In fact, my very first drawer boxes is a radio shack brand drawer box. I got it when I was, I think, seven or eight years old.
Because when I was little, I, I lived in an apartment building my entire life. I was in a little bit more of a poor family.
And I did a lot of dumpster diving as a little kid and pulling out electronic things from the garbage and then bringing them home.
And my, my dad is into electronics, but not professionally in any way just home brew, and he would often fix a lot of these things and that’s what got me into electronics.
Frank
So, so if I can interject real quick, it wasn’t just as a kid. I know for certain there was at least one job you had where you were regularly dumpster.
Diving and bringing stuff home to fix.
Andy
Yeah, but that was very different. Yes, very, very different. I worked at a warehouse in which they were, they did have a garbage can on site that they were throwing returned items into.
And it wasn’t like jumping into the garbage can. I just opened the front door, the front face of the garbage can and you can walk into, into it, but yeah, it was a garbage can.
And yeah, I guess I was dumpster diving then too.
Frank
The analogy applies. You may not be, you know, swimming pool diving into the dumpster, but you’re still going through the stuff to pull out other stuff.
Andy
Yes, yes, yes. And a lot of the nicer equipment I have around the house is from that kind of stuff. And anyway, so back to growing up when I used to quite literally jump into the can as a, you know, a 10 year old and dragon broken electronic stuff out.
You know, my dad would, would fix it up. We didn’t have a lot of money at all growing up. So we didn’t have a lot of nice things, but my dad was pretty decent at fixing basic, you know, doing basic repair on a lot of these electronic stuff.
So we had a lot of the electronic stuff, which was kind of neat.
I’ve got a memory of him fixing a boombox that had a built in CRT PV on the inside.
And somebody had drove in a screwdriver through the face of it. And I remember watching him re solder traces or connecting traces on the circuit board with wire and, you know, scraping back the trace and soldering wires to reconnect the traces.
And, and that is still at my parents house today and it still works beautifully that old TV radio thing.
But it got me into electronics to a certain degree. I mean, like I said, he was homebrew didn’t do it professionally. So his knowledge was, was smaller. You know, he didn’t know entirely what all the components does.
But sometimes it’s obvious and being able to repair those things, you know, you find the one that looks burned and you find another component that’s got the same numbers on it and you swap it out.
Frank
Even though I was kind of being a little ridiculing about it, let’s not forget that electronics since the beginning have made more progress as homebrew projects in the garage.
Then they have commercially.
That’s where computers started. That’s where radio started. That’s probably, I would be surprised if that’s not where Morse code started.
So, I mean, just overall, it’s a tradition to make it up as you go instead of, I mean, you don’t necessarily make money on it when you’re doing it that way.
And, it’s the way you get what you need. So.
Andy
And that being taught on how to fix stuff is saved.
I don’t know how people get by when something breaks and they just replace it without digging into it and fixing things and things just don’t last and being able to take something apart and repair it is seemingly quite important when you don’t have a lot of money.
Frank
Oh yeah, I agree.
Andy
So, but, you know, so growing up I had that and I had my own toys and stuff and my dad helped me with soldering and things like that he taught me how to do that he taught me what he knew at a really young age.
And so I got I had a pretty good start as a childhood in my childhood but it was, it was not, it was just the basics behind the electronics, you know, and I didn’t ever really get too far into it professionally in any way.
My skill level is still pretty limited.
Frank
You do stuff that I wouldn’t dream of. Let’s be honest.
So, I, you may see it as rudimentary and compared to the pros now that know all this stuff and build it every day all day.
Maybe, but you still are better than let’s say 90% of the population with this stuff. So don’t sell yourself short dude.
Andy
Well, thank you for that.
Thank you for that. It’s funny you say that though. I do appreciate that definitely. But I spent yesterday trying to figure out how to make an RF carrier wave so I can build my own transmitter unit for my utility locating but did exactly what I wanted to and I got confused and wound up shutting it down and giving up for now again because it was over my head.
I was kind of feeling dumb, but you’re right. It’s like you’re trying to really reach up high there above your skill level so I got a little bit more learning to do until I get to that kind of stuff.
Frank
Being a software engineer and working with all of these super smart people. It’s easy to feel dumb.
Andy
So anyway,
yeah,
even though you’re like way above the normal population.
Frank
When, when who you’re interacting with most is so much smarter than you, it’s easy to feel dumb.
Andy
I get that because with programming I was always the top notch in our friends group forever until a lot of you guys started doing it professionally and I had refused to and you went way over my head on knowing how to properly do all this kind of stuff and now it’s just like wow, I used to look down when it comes to
software to everybody and now it’s like I got to look up to you guys because I stalled, you know, I just never really learned the new stuff like you guys did, but
Frank
It’s easy to get arrogant about it too. Just so you know, I find these two arrogant about it.
But I have definitely become like a software website snob.
Andy
really.
Frank
I’m talking about how great it is that you’ve got all these old settings and some of the software before we started the podcast. And when I see the old settings and the old options, I admittedly start going.
Naw, this was and that I’ve talked periodically about making things idiot resistant.
Andy
I think people are too dumb to deal with that kind of stuff because when you’ve got like the load of options and older software it was easy to mess the software up you know to where it wasn’t working anymore the way you needed it to
Frank
Nothing is idiot proof to be perfectly frank. Nothing is idiot proof. We try, but at some point you just have to recognize that when they’re committed, the idiots are going to find a way.
And sometimes, sometimes you are the idiot. So you do your best to be idiot resistant and fewer options means more idiot resistant so less complexity.
Andy
Yeah, that makes sense, but I do not like it Sam I am do not like your green eggs and ham.
Frank
For our young listeners, that is a reference.
Sorry. Most most of our listeners actually know exactly what you’re talking about, even the young. So that was, that was unnecessary. I’m sorry.
Kevin
Well, I mean I I even read green eggs and ham to my kids when they were little so they would still get the reference too
Frank
Yeah, that’s really what I’m getting at.
Chris
Well, there was a Netflix adaptation, so it did get renewed recently.
Andy
Yeah, so anyway, as I grew up, I, you know, I couldn’t fix everything and I was more interested in the electronics than what the toy was ever designed to do so I, I like to take stuff apart I like to unsodder all the components from the board so I could use them in my own little, you know, gizmos and things that I’d be playing
with and this was all around like eight to maybe 12 years old that I was doing a lot of that kind of stuff and some of the stuff that my my parents had given me for gifts were related to this like my very first drawer component drawer box that I still have to this day, and it is still filled with
all the components that I unsoddered from way back then because, you know, you never know if you need that odd resistor or something like that.
Frank
Speaking important.
Andy
And so I’ve kept it all but you know it’s nice and organized and in the, in there, but now that I’ve got my, my big brand new desk, I would like something
on my desk, I’ve always liked to keep the desk itself without anything on it I don’t like to have equipment on the desk itself. And I do like the same thing with my kitchen, I don’t have like the toaster that sits up on the countertop or anything like that you know, everything is put away in a drawer.
The only thing I keep out on top of my cabinets is my knife block, and that’s it even my microwaves are up on top of a shelf. I like having that all open space and you get out the tools you need and then when you’re done you put everything back away and do that with my desk here too.
And that means having something on this back wall against the table would impede over the desk if I put stuff back there and I don’t want that. But so I’ve got my old drawer boxes and things aren’t well organized like I got a drawer full of resistors at random that were unsoddered from a board.
And I’ve honestly kind of moved into just purchasing resistors in the ribbon, you know, the paper ribbon they come in and, and using more of that than my old supply of components. And I’ll kind of want to, to change things up a little bit I want to reorganize.
And so I really considered what I like in a drawer box because I’ve got dozens of these boxes now that hold all of my components and they’re not really that well organized, but there’s a lot of things that I hated about these drawers from back in the day.
I got a very traditional, I mean, they’re all the same, these drawer box bins. And some of the things that really bothered me is like when you had too much stuff for one drawer and you had to use one of the bigger drawers.
Suddenly you don’t have things in order now you’ve got, you know, three or four values of one component but since one value had a lot more stuff you got to have it a different drawer that’s like far away and it just makes organizing stuff like that a little bit of a hassle.
And there’s a lot of things I hated about these drawers, like that they’re subdivided a lot of the time, because most of the time you keep smaller stuff in these drawers.
Most of the time these drawers are too big for most of the components that I have.
Frank
Because you only have a handful of them most of the time.
Andy
And yeah, exactly. And, and, and when you do use the dividers stuff is always slipping underneath the divider and get you know it’s just mixing up with other things, especially if they’re really small components.
And I’ve always hated that so that’s when I decided you know what I want to redo this whole thing. I don’t want to impede over my desk but if I’m making the drawers to what I need.
What I want is only about three inches long and having three inches come off this wall does not feel like it’s impeding over the desk.
Frank
Right.
Andy
And so I thought why don’t I take this entire wall that I got back here and build my own drawer box system the way I want it.
And then I’ve got all of the options and so I wound up sitting down and playing with a bunch of different designs a bunch of different drawer sizes and things like that.
And I kind of came up with a little bit of a system here where I’ve decided to do these boxes that are 80 millimeters tall and 120 mill, no, the 40, 80, yeah, 120 millimeters wide.
And I kind of made them a little bit like Legos where they’ve got little nubs on the top and little recesses in the bottom so that they can kind of align on top of each other when you stack them.
Frank
So they can index.
Andy
And yeah, yeah, and the drawer size, the depth of the drawers, I wound up going with, it’s about three inches. I don’t remember what the millimeter rating is, but it’s just under three inches long.
And because that felt like the about the size of what most of my would hold what most of my drawers hold and making them this using this box size would give me a few different options on different size of drawers for those times when I want to design a box where I’ve got, you know,
let’s say a grid of like four drawers tall by like eight drawers wide that’s holding let’s say like capacitors or something like that. But I’ve got that one capacitor that I really like and have purchased a lot of.
Well, in that case, I can just print a drawer that’s four times the size that fits right in with the rest of everything else, you know, so I can make it however I want and restack these little boxes and whatever order that I want.
And I don’t have to, you know, the Lego shape that I’m using is like a two by three Lego for these drawer boxes and that doesn’t have to be the standard I can make them different sizes.
If I, for some reason want to really long drawer I can make it for nubs wide or whatever and just build up my drawer box kind of like Legos, but you know, generally trying to stick to the standard of this this three by two.
And so I doing that and some of the other things I’ve done with the drawers is is labeling labeling my drawers have always been messy with labeling.
And a lot of it is because there’s not that much room on the front of these drawers to put kind of descriptive labels at all.
And so one of the things I’ve done with my drawers is I put the drawer handle really offset to one side and I made the handle vertical.
And that means the whole front of the drawer pretty much can be occupied with a label, and you guys visual listeners can see how I’ve labeled some of those, you know, and yeah.
Frank
That’s a quarter circle with a grip on it and what is that maybe two millimeters width for the handle.
Andy
Yep, yep, the handle I made is is about two millimeters wide but it’s recessed in the inside of the surface is only one layer thick so it feels like it’s got like a grip to it, and it slopes down.
Frank
And the rest of the face, whereas with the other drawer you were showing the handle for it actually comes down about halfway.
And you have to reach in underneath the tab and.
Andy
Yeah, and it’s horizontal.
And the the original drawers would have to have supports and stuff to be able to generate that handle where the ones I designed are completely support less for ease of printing and things like that because I want to print a lot of these.
Frank
Which also meets your base requirement.
Andy
Yeah, yeah. Another thing that I wound up doing is a lot of the times pulling stuff out of the old drawer box drawers was often hard, because the walls of the drawers were 90 degrees.
And so you’d get it like pinched against the side of the wall that was hard to get stuff out of it. And where I’m making the drawers even smaller, that could even be more of an issue.
So the inside of my drawers are actually like half piped inside of the drawers so anything that is on the bottom, no matter how thin it is going to be just slid up the sidewall to be able to grab.
And I’ve dumped components in these and played with them and figured out all the right angles that I like in them and stuff like that.
I think I’ve got a good system worked out for these so far. And as I’ve been printing these over the last little while it’s been coming together really nice.
I’ve got mostly my resistors.
I’ve got just about everything printed up for those, and that’s working for the most part okay, and I’m probably going to start loading all of my stuff into it over the next couple of days here.
And for our visual listeners, you can kind of see how that’s coming along with this, this door box system.
Kevin
Nice
Andy
I mentioned that it’s stacked like Legos you can see that kind of obvious where I’ve got like this three by two box here, but then to make the edge straight I’ve got little ones like this here that’s a one by by two.
And you know it’s just kind of stacks together like Legos and I can make it however that I wanted to on that.
Chris
I’m very modular.
Frank
You can stabilize it the way you do with bricks and that sort of thing where they’re offset a little.
Andy
Yeah, yeah, me and me and my little brother called this bricking when we were playing Legos as little kid where you always cross over the top of a brick with another brick to kind of lock everything in place.
Frank
That way you don’t get columns of stacks that fall easy.
Kevin
Right it just makes sense you get more stability that way
Andy
I’m doing that here with these.
Yeah, but so I’m going to go through and I’m, I’m doing capacitors next over the top of these drawers, and I’m going to make the labels a little bit different for the capacitors, but the same general kind of design as the rest of these so everything is organized well.
But that’s that’s that that’s been kind of coming along and working really nice with with those and I’m really happy with the way they’re coming out.
This is also eating up a lot of plastic the way I designed these each in between each wall of the drawers is four millimeters, which is thick.
But that’s because I can put two drawer boxes side by side, and have enough of a gap between them to, you know, correct for, you know, just error in the printing itself, and still have that same four millimeter gap, as it would be where, you know, it’s in the middle of each drawer
box, and that way the thin walls of the outside will still be able to support the weight of the drawer boxes on top of it.
So that’s the only thing I don’t really like about it the little nubs on the top, these walls on the top and bottom are two millimeters thick, and the recesses for the nubs go down to 2.2 millimeters on the inside so I’ve got at least one complete layer on the inside,
2.6 millimeters, excuse me, so I got one complete layer on the inside. So there’s no actual holes or anything in the sides of the hole that the drawer goes into that way the nubs don’t interfere and they still kind of lock into place.
Slightly because the nubs themselves are only what 1.2 or 1.4 millimeters tall they’re very small tiny little nubs, and they’re also sloped on the edges because everything is printing with the holes with the drawers facing up.
So that way I won’t need supports or anything like that but I put a lot of thought into this and it seems to be coming together so far for those drawers.
Frank
Yeah, it looks great, man.
Chris
Yep, you’re giving yourself a place to hide the extra parts when you’re done fixing something.
Andy
No kidding, no kidding.
But it is taking a lot of plastic I’ve already burned through two kilograms of white PLA plastic on this project just for the drawers that I showed you which I have about 70 drawers, maybe close to 80 drawers in the the image that I was showing you up here.
And that took about two kilograms of plastic I think I’m on my third kilogram roll and I’m like a third of the way through it.
But looking at the cost of these these larger drawer boxes that you purchase they’re about 30 to $50 for these boxes anymore.
So overall this is still the cheaper way to go but I think in the end I’m going to wind up going through five or six rolls of plastic to make a drawer system all the way across my desk here.
Frank
And that’s kind of the hole that’s easy to fall into.
Like, you can look at it and say it’s less expensive to do it this way.
But then you’re doing much more with it than now it’s all your system right.
Also, instead of having the partitions in the middle that you have to work around and all that.
But in the short run, you’re still going to end up spending more to get your system up.
You’re just going to have more volume for your system than you would buying it.
Andy
Yeah, yeah, you’re probably right because right now I’ve got four, five, six, seven drawer boxes like door box systems that I use to house my components, and not all of them are easy to get out of a lot of these drawer box systems for the
newer stuff when I started working with integrate with PIC controllers and stuff like that.
I used boxes, like for visual listeners that look kind of like toolboxes, and they have component like trays that you would use and this system.
Frank
I actually looked at some of that.
They are technically toolboxes.
I think that they get sold a lot for tackle boxes too.
Andy
Yeah, I can see that.
Frank
I saw them under both headings while I was researching.
Andy
And these used to be great when I used to operate off the kitchen table because then I can bring all my stuff into the kitchen and open it up and then when I’m all done I can pack it all back up but now that I got a space for this.
And it’s a little bit more like the old traditional drawer boxes so the amount of money that went into those is going to be cheaper than the amount of plastic I’ll use on this, but it is occupying my printer 24 seven.
So I could print.
Andy
You know, she hasn’t asked for any new over these past two weeks.
Frank
Does that mean that your wife isn’t getting dragons to sell?
Andy
And so I don’t know how many we’ve sold over the past two weeks but it seemed lately it was only like two or three a week, and we’ve got like 20 or 30 dragons in the little stand that she keeps at work.
And so, yeah, and that comes first.
Oh, sorry.
Frank
So there’s plenty of inventory for a little while.
Chris
Well, and at some point the novelty is going to wear off on all the regulars, I’m sure.
Andy
Yeah, yep, that’s true.
And as of right now the amount of money that you know she’s made off those dragons is paid off the plastic we bought for them even though I’ve only used about half of the plastic I bought for them.
That’s at this point it’s all profit, but yeah, I, I haven’t had her ask me to print anything while I’ve been doing these.
These drawer boxes so if anything does come up though I’ll jump and print those these drawer boxes are more like filler time on the printer because I still have everything accessible.
I don’t need these done right away, but you know, while my printer is not working and not doing anything I’ll have it be printing these these drawers.
And it’s coming along pretty good I’ve been doing it for two weeks and like I say I got about maybe 70 or 80 drawers done and assess quite a few so.
Frank
Indeed.
Andy
As far as other projects go, I did.
I’m ready to start moving forward on my vent and my vent fan that I’ve been working on and starting to create the shroud around it and stuff.
But I’m kind of concerned at when I built these impellers that not a single impeller that I have built is they’re all wobbly, no matter what I do and my model is not wobbly.
It’s something about printing and resin. It’s like they I don’t know they’re not.
Frank
There’s a density difference maybe.
Andy
It’s not density no they actually are physically wobbling it’s like my hole that runs down the center is not not straight or something like that and I wouldn’t double check that to make sure I didn’t make any kind of error but.
Also the way I built the model for these was mostly revolved commands so it would it would be dead straight in the model.
Yeah, but I did double check it just to make sure and it’s 90 degrees to the plane of the unit so.
I don’t I don’t know what’s causing that and I sit these on the desk and they’re they’re generally pretty flat on the desk.
So I don’t know why they wobble and I I’m considering like maybe I should print a new one, but before I cure it, I should bolt it down to something that keeps it straight because you know it’s a little bit mushy after printing.
Or like, and I was going to ask you this Kevin when it comes to my exposure time, can I ramp up the exposure time to have it be more cured as it comes out. Does it work that way.
Kevin
Yeah, yeah
Andy
That way the plastic is more stiff during the printing itself.
Kevin
Mm-hmm
Andy
I might try that then maybe I’ll try reprinting because one of these I up that an entire second.
It went from two and a half seconds exposure time to three and a half seconds and I didn’t really see much of a difference in it.
With the way it printed but I might try to print another one of these and get a little bit better because.
The one that I first printed that I’m going with the very first one is the design I’m going to stick with because performance wise it was the best.
It’s it’s not as good it’s wobbly when I run it on the motor and that I want to get rid of I mean I can balance I’ve gotten pretty good at balancing these things, but you know they they should be a little bit more not wobbly.
So I might try to print it again with even more exposure time per layer and see if I can make it more stiff than than that other than that I’m not sure what to do.
I’m I’m tempted to run one of these off on the FDM printer to see if it holds its dimensions better because I’ve never never really had a problem with the FDM printer being like where it’s not printing things square, you know like it should.
And but I feel like that’s being a problem with the resin printer doesn’t feel dimensionally accurate.
Like I measure the width and stuff like that everything’s fine but it seems like it was squishy when it came out of the print and then when I cured it it got cured into that squishy form and that’s the problems.
Frank
That’s an interesting aspect.
I hadn’t really thought of that myself. I’m sure Kevin has…
With your statues, do you run into droop before cure a whole lot?
Kevin
Not not a whole lot, but they’re also they’re also little so
Frank
So there’s not a lot of mass
to cause the droop at that point, right?
Kevin
Right
Andy
So I’m going to play with it a little while see if I can’t come up with I’ll probably sit down and try printing my very first revision.
I am going to make the walls thinner and cut the the spherical shape into the top, because that does seem to help a little bit, but other that I’m going to be using the same model as my very first one.
But I’m going to try reprinting that and seeing if I can come up with yeah here’s the first one here, because it’s flat on top.
Chris
So from a from a manufacturing perspective.
It’s looking like you’re you’re probably getting a little bit of and run out.
So if you were to put that on a centerline press or, you know, a centerline press, I think that’s what it’s called. Anyway, and then run it around and check it with an indicator that would tell you where you’re high and low spots are.
And if, if, if that is a thing that is occurring through your process. And I don’t know if you have an indicator.
Andy
I don’t have something like that but having something like a magic marker, because I know the precision that you’re talking about is much more precise but the amount of error I’m talking about like you can see this one here, this particular one here I printed with Kevin’s
And if I just give this a spin, you can see the wobbliness here. It’s wobbling about. Yeah, it’s like.
Chris
Oh, yeah, you got wait, you guys, you got way bad run out on that. Yeah.
Andy
Yeah. And the model itself should be dead straight so I’m not sure where this this wobbliness is coming from. It’s, it’s not the shaft of the motor this goes up pretty far into it before it bolts it goes about eight millimeters.
And everything is pressed in nice and tight and things like that so the whole that unless the shaft of the motor is actually while we but you can see the shaft of the motor isn’t wobbling at all it’s it’s all in the printed component here.
Frank
Yeah, that’s interesting.
Chris
Yeah. So to me that looks like your centerline isn’t isn’t isn’t completely straight to the part. So, oh, so the where you have the shaft mounted in isn’t completely perpendicular to the.
And this one here I printed with a lot of supports when I printed it.
Chris
To the bottom to, yeah, to the top and bottom.
Andy
Yeah, that’s that is what it looks like. But the model is square that I am printing, but it’s not really coming out square and, and I’m pretty certain the printer is not putting it awkward like this.
I’m thinking that after I get this out before I cure it. It’s it’s mushy. It’s kind of mushy, you know, you could you could you could bend the plastic pretty easy before it’s cured.
Chris
So.
Andy
And so I’m wondering if that’s kind of the problem so I might try cranking up the exposure timing per layer and try because I know that affects the resolution because it makes like edges fuzzy and stuff when you overexpose.
But a component like this I’m not really too worried about about that happening other than more mass being used on it.
So I might try to play with with upping it a little bit more the exposure time and seeing how it works because that’s just that’s awful.
Frank
You’ve already talked about thinning the walls anyway so if you thin the walls and then up at the exposure time
It probably come out in the wash to some degree, so.
Andy
Yeah, and I might be able to thin the walls even more because you see on my my right hand here it’s the thicker walls and the one that’s recessed is the thinner
Andy
Andy
Right.
I could probably even go thinner because this thinner one seems way durable like it’s not going anywhere this ABS plastic is awesome awesome stuff.
I could probably go half as thick as this, which would also take some of the weight off the motor as well but at this point I don’t think the weight of the components is really a problem.
Frank
When it’s balanced, the weight shouldn’t be as big a deal because it’s not impacting the bearings much.
Andy
Yeah, and I can get these balanced even with the amount of wobble they’re doing I’m getting much better at balancing them and having a system for that where I only have to run it through two or three times with the you know experimenting with the adding a little bit of tape here and there to zones and then
you know I’ve been doing it in eight different zones just lining stuff up with the fins themselves and putting a piece of tape on on you know experimenting with one side putting a piece of tape on one side then running it and seeing how it wobbles and if it got worse or if it got better and then when I’m done and have an idea of you know where the
tape on one side is and then go with the opposite side of that and cut some material off with the Dremel and and then start over again and rebalance again after about three times of doing that it’s running pretty smoothly so
yeah and as bad as these are it’s kind of nice to see that balancing them hasn’t been that hard but I’m also only running these at around 800 rpms which is pretty low.
I did I was going to go with a two amp power supply, but I wound up buying a five amp power supply to see.
You know how much how much more suction I can get out of these because my Dyson fan that I’m comparing everything to runs at like 100,000 rpms to get the kind of section it does and these things although much larger 800 is such a low percentage of that even though it’s you know four times the size.
It’s running a much less than four times the rpms so I might be able to get a lot more out of these by cranking up the having the available power can let’s face it two amps at 12 volts is not a lot of power for a vacuum.
Frank
Because more power
Andy
Yeah, would that be 24 watts of power and if you think it’s some of the normal vacuums that we use they claim 1500 watts and stuff like that and I’m over here with my 24 watts here so there’s there’s probably a lot more I can get out of this and I’m only running the motor at like 20% to get that two amps so I’m excited to kind of.
Frank
Speaking of garage products.
Andy
Yeah, I’m going to experiment with the five amp power supply and to see if running them a little bit faster can get me even more suction, even if the desired section I want for this I’m achieving it like 4%.
Frank
Cool.
Andy
So, you should always just make over over design it and it would be nice to be able to run it at.
Frank
And then use it at a fraction of its capacity so that it lasts long.
Andy
Yeah, yeah, exactly. I also discovered something I saw a video of one of these motors pulled apart and there isn’t just the one bearing in it there’s actually two ones further up deep inside still don’t want to put the kind of pressure on the bearings as wobbly.
Not turbine impeller would, but there is at least more than just the one single bearing that’s in the back of this is further up inside so in fact you can see the little nub the knob right there in orange is where the bearing sits for the second one so it does have to and the second one is closer to the impeller which makes me feel a little bit better about you know dealing with any amount of wobble.
Frank
And that still doesn’t account for things like positioning where the fan is like, like if it was hanging from the motor, I suspect it would be more efficient than if horizontal for instance.
Andy
Yeah, and I.
And I think one of the things I’m going to wind up doing because this profile of the edge. I have the profile for this from the way I designed the shell for this and the way I cut this out.
And I’m going to use that same.
What are they called those squirrely lines. Oh my gosh.
Frank
Oh, your inability to remember has got me not remembering.
Andy
What are they called.
Yeah, spline spline. I’ve got that that same spline I’m going to use to model the surrounding cage for it, but I think what I’ll wind up doing is the way the motor bolts to the bottom.
I will design it so that the motor overall is sitting a little bit far back, and then I will use pins to be able to push it forward into that recess.
That way I can get the impeller as close to the edge walls as possible by pushing it more higher up into it without actually touching anything.
And so that’s how I think I’m going to wind up, you know, getting it in there with as much with a little error as possible by moving the entire thing vertically or being able to shim it higher until I get some rubbing and then to bring it back and then the shims I will just 3d print and then bolt underneath the
for the motor so.
Frank
Okay, that sounds fun.
Andy
That’s the idea for that. Yeah, I think that’s how about you have you done anything this week.
Frank
I finally finished the the TPU part for my sheet clip.
Andy
Okay, yeah.
Frank
I had to bring it down all the way to 20 millimeters or yeah, 20 millimeters per second. It had to go super slow.
Andy
If it makes it feel any better, I only run about 30 millimeters per second on average with TPU. I do run it slower as well.
Frank
The upside is, is I forgot to re add my supports because it’s kind of mushroom shaped on the top.
And it did just fine. There’s a little bit of underhang for the mushroom part, but it is solid and it’s, it’s got 100% infill so it’s less likely to to fail in the way the 20% infill did for the same part.
Andy
That’s good.
Okay, it feels like a hefty piece of rubber now.
That’s one thing I love about pulling TPU parts off that you have print at 100% because it doesn’t fill 3d printed at all.
Frank
No, it’s, it’s pretty solid. So, um, because in the past I have run into issues trying to go from TPU to or not TPU. Yeah, TPU from TPU to PLA. I have just not run my printer.
And when I’ve had a minute, I’ll go pull out another screw to get the carriage off and then I’ll go back to what I, you know, demands my time.
So I’ve only got my carriage halfway disassembled so I can finish. I need to finish disassembling the carriage, clean it all up, make sure the TPU didn’t cause any lasting trouble for me.
And then I’ll reassemble and start printing again.
I was hanging out with a friend in the neighborhood last night and we played a game called Jokers and Marbles.
And it’s got these little interlocking panels where you start and then there’s 18 little divots.
And I actually kind of think I have a picture I can probably share.
Andy
Okay, I just googled it.
Frank
The game that we were playing on, the game that we were playing on was made by the wife, except for she’s Candice’s friend.
It’s not really, it’s more her husband is the husband anyway.
Semantics, her dad has been an amateur carpenter her whole life, and he has a laser cutter for the wood and all that.
And so he cut out these pieces.
And it starts with like the fewest you can play with his four players, but the pieces that he gave away in sets are as many as eight players can play this game.
And just looking at it and we were talking about it and all that.
And it’s like, you know, I don’t think it’d be that hard to build the template and print it off.
The problem you run into is the size of the board because it is 13 inches long and that we measured on my friend’s 3D printer.
And it is bigger than corner to corner on the build plate.
And that doesn’t include the little buffer zone that you get with your operating software.
So I suspect like, I still haven’t measured for sure.
I suspect that that my printer, no, there’s 16 inches, sorry, in length.
I suspect that I can print the whole thing in one go with my printer.
But even if it’s kind of designed in such a way that we can break it up into two pieces and then glue them together.
And it’s really one design that is interlocking with itself.
So once you get one good template, you can build as many as you want.
But even the wife was like, yeah, if you can do that, then we can run off a bunch of them and I can take them to this thing or whatever.
And the wood ones, the commercially sold ones from what I hear is sold for like 80 bucks.
And it’s a good, you know, solid wood box and all the marbles and all that stuff.
Andy
Oh, wow.
I googled the image just so I could just follow along with what you’re talking about, but I’ve got like stuff from like Amazon and stuff here and you’re right, the least expensive one was $52 and everything else is above 90 bucks for this game.
Frank
So even printing it out of plastic, as long as it’s the solid, you know, design, there’s no reason it couldn’t be sold at the fairs and that sort of thing as a custom design for a reasonable amount of money.
Andy
Yeah. Hey, this might be a reason for you to get a laser cutter.
Frank
Um, no, I have to have disposable income to get the lease and I don’t have any.
Andy
An excuse that might pay for itself.
Frank
Um, and even, you know, talking about using additive instead of reductive manufacturing the plastic.
I imagine one of these boards would probably take about half a kilogram of plastic for to print solid.
Um, they probably don’t need to be printed solid.
You can print 20% info.
It doesn’t super, super durable necessarily.
I guess it depends on who you’re playing with.
They might throw pieces.
Um, but yeah, even selling it at half as expensive as the retail for most of these would still be a good investment.
Andy
Yeah. Is this a fun game to play here? I’ve never seen it.
Frank
It is, it’s actually surprisingly complex.
Like you play with this board and then you have, you choose, you know, depending on how many people you’re playing with.
However many decks of cards and the cards tell you how to move.
Um, some of the cards, you can split the number, some of the cards, you only move a certain number.
You have to go, you have to approach what they call home to get into the safe zone.
But there’s cards that allow you to switch your marble with somebody else’s.
So if they’re out on the board, you can switch to just before your home and then go in the home and be safe.
Andy
Is this kind of like sorry?
Frank
So, um, yes, it’s very similar to sorry as a description.
It’s been so long since I played sorry.
I don’t remember all the rules, but it was described as it’s kind of like sorry with these rules.
So, right.
Andy
But with cards instead of like rolling the dice.
And the cards I’m assuming might be a little bit different for what your doing.
But generally it looks like you’ve got like a start location, and you have work away around the board to get to your home location?
Frank
Um, it’s, and half of the cards have special abilities.
Like you can only get out of your home with a face card or an ace.
Um, two’s are the one of the cards that allow you to switch.
Um, the Joker, for instance, you take… one of your marbles takes the place of one of theirs and theirs gets sent back home.
So it’s, it’s a kind of powerful card.
Um, some of them you can like the nine and the seven, you can split.
I think it’s the nine where you have to, one has to go forward and one has to go backward.
Um, other little things like that. It’s more complex than my bad memory.
Andy
This sounds like fun, actually, like.
Frank
It actually also kind of reminded me of your, you’ve heard me talk about the game of your, um, it’s kind of a similar idea.
Um, your is much more rudimentary and I like your because it’s a 5000 year old game.
Um, but yeah.
Andy
That’s kind of cool. I might, if I get bored this week, this weekend here, I might sit down with the kids. I got some, a bunch of quarter inch trimming wood that might sit down and see if we can make one of these.
This looks like a fun project. And maybe, maybe not with marbles, maybe I can also use the laser cutter to cut like pegs pieces that you could stick in the holes or something.
Frank
I hadn’t thought of pegs. Um, we talked about printing the marbles.
We talked about it and my biggest concern is even if you print them solid, they’re not going to roll.
I guess you’re just moving them as pieces though, so it doesn’t need to be.
Um, you’re not rolling the marbles or anything.
But, uh, if you’re printing marbles, I want the marble to roll like a marble, not like a oval.
Andy
Yeah, I agree. And looking at this board, everything is looks like they’re just like most of these are just drilled out. But if you were using marbles, it almost looks like it might be a nicer thing to do to your board or if you’re printing them this way to chamfer the holes.
So the marbles got more of a little recessed spot it can sit in.
Anyway, just some ideas this looks like fun I’d have to see the cards.
Frank
And you can find a conf, uh, conf, you can find the rules for it easy enough. I’m sure with just look…
And maybe
Yeah, that looks like fun and the kids love sorry. That’s one of the primary games we play this looks like something we might be able to like, make our own kind of version like, you know, the cards and stuff like that and print the cards out for it and whatnot it might be fun.
Frank
If you go all out like we did with, uh, Two back in the day, make sure you’re right down all the rules.
Andy
Which reminds me the kids keep on asking if we can play to and I think I think Holly still has it doesn’t doesn’t she Chris. Don’t you guys still have the original game Two?
Chris
I think so.
If we do I think we can get it over to you.
Andy
Well, no big deal I was just curious on where it was. I think I still have the original deck on one of my computer backups that I have that I might be able to find if we ever wanted to reprint it back out.
Still got the laminator we used when we made that game as well so
Frank
It was a fun game. I do remember we all got together.
I think it was for a campaign or something a while ago, we sat down and tried to play it.
And we spent, we spent so much time talking about what rules did what that the game just stalled out.
Uh, it’s kind of a shame because it was such a fun game to play when everybody knew the rules or at least enough people knew the rules that we could point it out when there was something that wasn’t immediately obvious.
Chris
Well we did print what each card does on each card.
Frank
For most of them, there were still some where it required some memory to remember what it does though.
Chris
Oh, there it is. Yep.
Still in still in the plastic casing.
The pencil box we put it in.
Andy
That’s so cool.
Andy
Yeah, that’s cool.
That’s cool. That’s cool. That was fun. Yeah, and for the listeners that because we talked about it from time to time but that game we just printed off of paper. I mean we even got designed our own cards, you know front and back and then just laminated them and we made an entire card game all on our
own just with the printer at home it was a good, good time. Good old time.
And it was based on, you know, but with all of the, the modifications was probably twice as complex, if not three times as complex as, you know, and that, that includes the house rules that everybody plays with.
Andy
Yeah, it was almost an entirely different game it kind of reminds me of marbles and jokers here equivalent to sorry where it is pretty much a different game, but it’s got a little bit of the same kind of premise with the way it’s played.
Frank
The, uh, we played the single player last night.
There’s a teams version.
Marbles and jokers where you play with the person across the table from you.
So you’re basically moving your marbles or their marbles.
Andy
That would be that would be fun. Yeah, I’m gonna have to look.
Frank
When they’re on your side of the board anyway.
Andy
I’m gonna have to look this one up and see how the games played and to see if I could find cards anywhere, you know if anybody came up with a PDF version of the cart the deck of cards or something that we could print off and then cut out.
Marbles and jokers.
Frank
For, for marbles and jokers, that’s a regular, that’s a regular card deck.
It is not a customized card at all.
Andy
Oh, okay.
Yeah, Marbles started doing something that never concerned never considered before and is a game change. I hate the word game changer anymore it’s overused. It changed the game for our family when it comes to card games with little kids, and that is they destroy cards when they’re playing.
I had a brand new deck of cards and the deck of cards is cheap. But gosh, the first time we played my four year old was like folding up one of the cards, and I got all mad at him for it, because that was a brand new deck of cards.
And then it occurred to me, why don’t I just buy a couple of decks of the exact same kind of card and then just swap out the ones that get messed up. That would last me a long time and that never occurred to me all through my first two kids.
Frank
Well, and you’ve got a 3D printer print up card holders for them.
So that they, they, you know, tell them you have to keep the cards in the card holder and then they’re not playing with them as much with the individual cards.
Andy
Yeah, that’s a good idea actually.
Chris
Actually, it is a great idea because
Frank
You are right there, Kev.
Kevin
Yeah
Chris
my child had a hard time keeping track of all of her, all of her cards.
And so she’d get a big handful and they have this really cool one that’s it’s kind of like spring loaded.
You can stack all the cards into.
You can stack all of the cards into.
I wonder if I have it handy right here.
Oh, there it is.
Yes.
Frank
And Candice’s family has strong opinions about people who abuse the cards.
Chris
As you can see, it’s, it, it’s meant to sit flat on a table.
Frank
Yeah, there you go.
Andy
Hmm.
Chris
Right.
And then it’s got this little spring loaded part to it.
You just stick the cards in.
Andy
Okay, it just holds them all.
Frank
That is nice. I think I might print some of those off just to go with our games because that’s cool.
Andy
Yeah, it is like a stand for the cards but spring loaded that’s neat.
Chris
Yep.
Andy
It’s awfully colorful is that something you 3D printed.
Chris
It is, it is actually, I printed it for the child’s birthday.
You’re not, not this last year, but the year before.
I’m just, maybe this is a good way to show it off.
But, you know, so it just stands flat on the table and.
The only hardware required after printing is just this little,
you just a single screw, right, right back there to hold it all
together.
Frank
Okay, yeah.
Chris
And, and the rest of it’s completely, completely just printed.
Andy
Okay, that’s neat.
I like that. I have to consider that for my kids because, yeah, they’re starting to get to the point where they’re, you know, got all the cards in their hands and stuff. And I wound up buying us a new UNO deck that’s the old 1979 UNO deck that I grew up with.
And I found and it’s in great condition even though it was used so it’s important to me I like it so it’s kind of like is it really being fun for the kids playing these games when I’m just constantly yelling at them to take care of the cards, you know.
Frank
The answer to that is no.
Andy
Yeah, but so having a card holder like that might be a good idea. Thank you for that idea.
Frank
Well, it looks to me like the, the natives are getting restless. And I’m thinking we should probably just wrap this up.
Andy
Sounds good. Thanks for sharing the game. This might be something that’ll be fun this weekend. So, I appreciate it.
Frank
Yeah, projects, a new project for us to compete on.
Andy
Yeah, well, I would compete this is this is your kind of thing right here, but it looks like a fun game I wouldn’t mind having, and one that would be probably cheaper to design our own than to.
Frank
Definitely, definitely less expensive to buy than to design and print than it is to buy. So.
Andy
Yeah, and I could get I can get the kids into helping me design design this as a sketch, and then we could use the laser cutter to cut it out of that quarter inch wood, and then make some pegs for it that could be like a whole fun thing.
Chris
And marbles are like way cheap at the craft store. So.
Andy
That’s true, but I don’t want to have to go to the craft store, especially with the weather outside today being kind of nasty looking. So, I bet we can make some make some cut some pegs out, kind of fun.
But yeah, yeah, thanks for that idea. That’ll be fun.
Frank
All right, we’d like to thank everyone for listening to the very end.
Chris
It’s a very, very, very.
Frank
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Kevin
Keep your FEP tights
Andy
Always use hairspray.
Chris
I think my printer’s narcolec narcoleptic, it keeps falling asleep on me.
Frank
Are you sure it’s on this narcoleptic and not you.
Chris
We just operate on different time zones.
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